Talk:Patty Jenkins

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Peer review

What is here is good. You had some small errors when it came to clarity and staying in the same tense, which I recommend reading through again just to make sure everything is seamless.

When talking about wonder woman, you discuss that the previous director, Michelle MacLaren, left due to creative differences. Creative differences with who? Jenkins? Then again, you say "She was previously attached to direct Thor..." but firstly, I have no idea what that means, and secondly, I don't know who you are referring to. In this example, it sounds like you are talking about Michelle MacLaren. Be specific about who you are talking about, as I think that will add clarity to your piece.

I would love to see more information on Jenkins' directing style or the equipment she uses, as this would make her feel more real, instead of someone who just receives nominations for and wins awards.

Good work

Deathsmoothies (talk) 05:13, 1 March 2016 (UTC) Deathsmoothies

Peer Review for Patty Jenkins

This article is good and you are off to a good start. Although I suggest adding more to the lead like mentioning that Monster is a critically acclaimed film, as it has received high praise. There is a lot of information on Jenkins's life especially the fact that she was moved around many times, a small suggestion would be to word it differently to flow it well and also find the reason she moved around a lot perhaps she came from a military family. Overall your article is clear and to the point of you are trying to describe and a ery good use of the tables. Luna9881 (talk) 15:17, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

California Birth Index

Per WP:PRIMARYCARE, birth certificates are primary sources. California Birth Index is a database providing only abstracts of state birth information, making this a WP:SECONDARY source. Note that per WP:BLP we cannot make personal-life claims, including purported birth dates, without WP:RS citing. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:21, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

It may not be primary, but it is still a public record, and thus barred by WP:BLPPRIMARY - "Do not use public records that include personal details". If this information isn't being covered in other sorts of RS, it shouldn't be here for privacy reasons. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:27, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

As you say, Nat, and you know I respect your work here, it is not primary, and WP:BLPPRIMARY allows "primary-source material [that] has been discussed by a reliable secondary source," which these abstracts are. We are not citing primary-source birth certificates such as [1]. The policy also distinguishes between public figures and people who are relatively unknown. I know you value accuracy, and this is an allowable tool for having accurate birth dates for famous people.--Tenebrae (talk) 12:59, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

WP:BLPPRIMARY, despite its name/shortcut, does not just limit use of primary sources. It bars use of public records that include personal details; you seem to be arguing that because there are two personal records involved, it's okay. It's not. If we don't have an acceptable source to use for the precise birth date, we should eliminate it and just use the birth year, which we do have. --Nat Gertler (talk) 13:47, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't believe there are two personal records: There is only one birth certificate. That is the sole primary source. An edited abstract of that would be no more a personal record than a "Today in History: Birthdays" taken from the same primary source. Whether we use the one or the other (Cal Birth Index, Today in History), we're providing an accurate birth date, which is a cornerstone of biography whether in an online encyclopedia or in a print book.--Tenebrae (talk) 14:21, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm not clear which part of "public record" doesn't apply to it; it's public in the form of governmental, and our entry on the index describes it as a record. Beyond that, WP:DOB makes it clear that date of birth is not so vital for living persons that it trumps privacy concerns. --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:48, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

This is a WP:SECONDARY source, which is allowed. (WP:BLPPRIMARY even allows primary sources "to augment the secondary source" that has discussed it, so we certainly do allow secondary sources that use primary sources. And we're not citing a primary source here.) WP:DOB says we can include date of birth unless the "subject complains about our inclusion of their date of birth, or the person is borderline notable", neither of which applies to high-profile film director Patty Jenkins. I am relying on the plain words of the policies.

I guess we can take this RfC, though given that any change would affect thousands upon thousands of cites to this and FamilySearch, which often is the only secondary source of death dates, it probably should be done at one of the policy pages and not here.--Tenebrae (talk) 17:11, 15 June 2019 (UTC)