Talk:Ethiopians

Hamitic

Wouldn't it be good if the term Hamitic were included and discussed in this article? 173.88.241.33 (talk) 01:12, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

The term Hamatic is no longer used for describing Afro-Asiatic language-speaking Africans in modern linguistics or anthropology. It was a controversial and pseudo-scientific term term coined during the Era of Scientific Racisms that has been debunked. "Afro-Asiatic language-speaking Africans" or another similar phrase or term is the more correct way to describe these various people g. HistoryEtCulture (talk) 18:06, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Merge from List of ethnic groups in Ethiopia and merge to People of Ethiopia

Merge from List of ethnic groups in Ethiopia and merge to People of Ethiopia, because the List of ethnic groups in Ethiopia article is redundant, makes it hard to link to both interconnected (or the same) topics at the same time. Plus, the "Officially recognized ethnic groups in Ethiopia" of the List of ethnic groups in Ethiopia article (its only section) is already include in the People of Ethiopia but has some formatting errors. HistoryEtCulture (talk) 18:13, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

White ethiopian?

The presence of white people in Ethiopia is attested at least since the Vth century BC. Why are they not mentioned in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:6B8E:EE00:5124:1B71:F5F8:73C0 (talk) 13:32, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 18 June 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 19:38, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

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People of Ethiopia → Ethiopians – The demonym Ethiopian is more common and practical than the artificial, longer, and rarely used phrase "people of Ethiopia. This would also match with similar articles like Eritreans and Djiboutians. RiverNile1 (talk) 19:08, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:20, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Scorpions13256 (talk) 20:23, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

• Support It is better than to entitled "People of Ethiopia", and "Ethiopians" is the most widely used term and intensifier to Ethiopia. The Supermind (talk) 17:00, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NCET and WP:PLURAL, which prefer the plural demonym form when it is available as the most WP:CONCISE option. RGloucester — ☎ 15:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

• Support. RiverNile1 (talk) 19:41, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nomination.  Mysterymanblue  22:00, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ethiopian genetics (including other HOA populations)

This 2019 study may be relevant for the genetic section and interested people:[[1]]

Abstract:

The presence of genomic signatures of Eurasian origin in contemporary Ethiopians has been reported by several authors and estimated to have arrived in the area from 3000 years ago. Several studies reported plausible source populations for such a signature, using haplotype based methods on modern data or single-site methods on modern or ancient data. These studies did not reach a consensus and suggested an Anatolian or Sardinia-like proxy, broadly Levantine or Neolithic Levantine as possible sources. We demonstrate, however, that the deeply divergent, autochthonous African component which accounts for ~50% of most contemporary Ethiopian genomes, affects the overall allele frequency spectrum to an extent that makes it hard to control for it and, at once, to discern between subtly different, yet important, Eurasian sources (such as Anatolian or Levant Neolithic ones). Here we re-assess pattern of allele sharing between the Eurasian component of Ethiopians (here called “NAF” for Non African) and ancient and modern proxies. Our results unveil a genomic legacy that may connect the Eurasian genetic component of contemporary Ethiopians with Sea People and with population movements that affected the Mediterranean area and the Levant after the fall of the Minoan civilization.

Another 2020 paper suggests that the Eurasian admixture is considerable lower than previous papers suggested, estimating only 15-20% Eurasian admixture on average. Source: [[2]]

Abstract:

The African Horn region that includes the Abyssinian is one of the areas in the world that harbor high human genetic diversity manifesting past intermingling of people of different origins attributed to its geographic immediacy to the middle east and being historical trade and religio-cultural hub. Here, we performed a genetic structure analysis of linguistically differentiated populations of Ethiopia, South Sudan, and Somali. To get insight into the genetic landscape of the horn of Africa against the rest of the world, we leverage HapMap SNPs data from Utah residents with Northern and Western European ancestry (CEU), Maasai (MKK), and Yoruba (YRI) and analyzed for genetic admixture and diversity. The genetic and linguistic affiliations mismatch for most Cushitic and Semitic language speakers. The gradients of genetic variations among the different sub-populations within the region show gene-flow directions and past mass population movements. Ethiopians that predominately inhabited the central and northern Ethiopia harbored ~10-15% of CEU admixture. The African horn ancestral line contributed a total of ~20%, 5%, and 2% to MKK, YRI, and CEU, respectively. MKK showed a high genetic diversity comparable to the Ethiopian Cushitic, Semitic, and North Omotic language speakers. Allelic distribution frequencies among the populations at some outlier loci may also provide insight into the adaptations to critical environmental factors such as Malaria.

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Statistics, and archiving the old nationalist junk on here.

Not even sure if anyone maintains this page regularly to care much, but old discussions on this talk page really need to be archived as it's filled with nationalist junk that either ignores the point or just cries about something unnecessary / insults everyone, and most of these date back to as far as 2006.

Secondly, the statistics on the population of Ethiopians outside Ethiopia are much lower than what's true, I've begun trying to fix some of these. However, it'll take a while. ballads^one 23:19, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit regarding the former, It's been fixed. ballads^one 23:28, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Thats how to do it.

Every language Ethiopians speak= how many Ethiopians there are in Finland. Deal with it u %!#% Uslager (talk) 15:26, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Your Data is 9 years old

You should not comment anything before u get up to date info Uslager (talk) 19:48, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Prehistory

"It was thought that Hamitic people from Asia Minor had migrated before Semitic Arabian people in the 7th century BC.[19]"

Would that Hamitic migration from Asia Minor before the Semitic Arabian people in the Middle Ages, coincide with the Bantu Expansion? 2001:1C00:1E20:D900:D108:E292:4ECE:682B (talk) 00:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Hamitic hypothesis Debunked

Eurocentrics would rather claim a major Levant contribution to the North-East African gene pool. This is contradictory also to published literature on female expansion/migrations studied in published data and data from Sudan that shows the female gene pool to be the outcome of in situ evolution (Osman et al., 2021) where some of the so called out of Africa haplotypes are found to be present in substantial frequencies in samples from populations not known to have left the continent and that display fixation of genetic markers of continuous population history in the continent (Albasheer etal.,2020), in addition of course to historical and archeological evidence. Such dearth of analysis of native mtDNA might explain misnamed and faulty classifications of human uniparental haplogroup assignments and hence the ensuing faults around dates and patterns of migration. Unfortunately migration patterns are still based on historical accepted narratives and lack substantiated solid proof H3r3cookiecookie38 (talk) 06:53, 11 July 2024 (UTC) (Blocked sock)

The data you are continuously attempting to remove is not outdated, and scientists are still releasing papers on African human populations with the aforementioned migration models. Furthermore, you're not only disrupting this article, but you have been shown to clear and edit sourced information from others as well, using your accounts: [3], [4], Special:Contributions/H3r3cookiecookie38 & Special:Contributions/ZipthatChop. Stop clearing references that you simply do not like, articles are meant to show diversity and accuracy in viewpoints of what is being cited, so please cease Wikipedia:Edit warring on multiple pages. Further Than Beyond (talk) 07:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Again, instead of using another of your disruptive accounts Special:Contributions/2600:1017:A005:7DCE:349E:FC3F:2945:B633 to remove studies and data, and insert unrelated ones as you did with Osman et al. (2021) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214540020301924, which clearly says: "2. Materials and methods, 2.1. Samples and mitochondrial control regions sequencing, A total of 164 mitochondrial DNA samples from maternally unrelated individuals sampled by Hassan et al. (Hassan et al. 2008), belonging to twelve different ethnic groups in Sudan and South Sudan (for details see Table 4 and Fig. S1) were amplified." & "In conclusion, our data shows remarkable feature of genetic diversity among the Sudanese population consistent with the antiquity and in-situ evolution of the mitochondrial DNA gene pool, and relating some of the populations to groups displaying the most ancestral lineages of maternal lines. The mitochondrial HVRI remains surrogate of whole mitochondrial genome information and may be utilized for rapid screening of populations of interest. Based on HVRI sequence, and in addition to affirming north-eastern Africa as a prime scene in early evolution of modern humans, variation in this gene pool seems to have been influenced to lesser extent by migrations than by in-situ evolution." It's not on characterizing Ethiopia, but you are free to place it summarized accurately in another relevant article on Sudanese. Further Than Beyond (talk) 06:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

2021. Study. You talk about diversity. Africa is the most diverse continent please. Your bias is showing. Ethiopians are Africans and will be forever.

“The position of L3/M and N haplogroups in different sub-clades may suggest this macrohaplogroup have originated in east Africa prior to the migration of the first Homo sapiens to Asia. The L3/M/N conventionally associated with the mitochondrial out-of-Africa scenario is widely distributed in Sudanese groups unknown of having history of migration or admixture with Asian or European groups, consistent with our suggestion that the major mitochondrial haplotype differentiation occurred well prior to the exodus event (Elhassan et al., 2014), then propagating the N carriers through migration and drift. For example the presence of Haplogroups RO in populations like Beja, Arabs Nubians and Masalit, could hardly be taken as a result of migration from Asia to East Africa as suggested by similar presence in the Arabian peninsula (Abu-Amero et al., 2008; Gandini et al., 2016), given the cultural, genetic ethnic and demographic background of these groups. Some authors argue that this haplogroup, as well as other Eurasian haplogroups including U3 and TI among Beja, may have been brought to Sudan by two routes one from North Africa, and the other through the present Ethiopia and Eritrea (Kivisild et al., 2004; Krings et al., 1999). On the other hand, an African origin of these macro haplogroups has been argued for in the literature” (Quintana-Murci et al., 1999). ScholarMate1 (talk) 15:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

You are once again being a disruptive editor, and have already been caught engaging in Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry. You're clearly not here to build an open encyclopedia, which presents quality and accurate information, with considerations to multiple viewpoints. You're wanting a biased narrative, hence repeatedly removing peer reviewed and scientific content you do not like the conclusions of, which is in bad faith. This issue has been addressed, please only add relevant information on the article's subject, and do not clear all those cited sources that are more than appropriate for the sub-section. Further Than Beyond (talk) 15:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Stop edit warring. You’re not the owner of this page. I have no connection to whatever you’re alluding too. ScholarMate1 (talk) 16:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Very outdated and clear bias

“The position of L3/M and N haplogroups in different sub-clades may suggest this macrohaplogroup have originated in east Africa prior to the migration of the first Homo sapiens to Asia. The L3/M/N conventionally associated with the mitochondrial out-of-Africa scenario is widely distributed in Sudanese groups unknown of having history of migration or admixture with Asian or European groups, consistent with our suggestion that the major mitochondrial haplotype differentiation occurred well prior to the exodus event (Elhassan et al., 2014), then propagating the N carriers through migration and drift. For example the presence of Haplogroups RO in populations like Beja, Arabs Nubians and Masalit, could hardly be taken as a result of migration from Asia to East Africa as suggested by similar presence in the Arabian peninsula (Abu-Amero et al., 2008; Gandini et al., 2016), given the cultural, genetic ethnic and demographic background of these groups. Some authors argue that this haplogroup, as well as other Eurasian haplogroups including U3 and TI among Beja, may have been brought to Sudan by two routes one from North Africa, and the other through the present Ethiopia and Eritrea (Kivisild et al., 2004; Krings et al., 1999). On the other hand, an African origin of these macro haplogroups has been argued for in the literature”(Quintana-Murci et al., 1999). ScholarMate1 (talk) 15:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

None of the information referenced is outdated nor biased as already discussed above, and you have not added any new 2023 study, just the same edits from your other accounts: Special:Contributions/H3r3cookiecookie38 & Special:Contributions/ZipthatChop. Further Than Beyond (talk) 15:34, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Post your paper debunking me. ScholarMate1 (talk) 16:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Sir, all you did was repost the above study on this article from your first post on your older accounts, while also deleting references that were unrelated, and dealing with the other genetic findings that were on the article. This has no relation to the removed DNA findings, and migration models and analysis used in those you selectively cleared, being in a completely different section too. Also, this is not relevant to the article which was established above, but is welcome to be placed in another one dealing with the populations from that region. Further Than Beyond (talk) 16:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)