Talk:Peter Minuit Plaza

Upmerge to Peter Minuit Plaza?

Should we consider an upmerge, given that this is part of the larger plaza, and there are other things of note to discuss in that space?--Pharos (talk) 17:41, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Also, I was there the other day, and the city sign just calls it the "New Amsterdam Pavilion".--Pharos (talk) 16:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@Pharos: yeah, we should probably merge this article with the Minuit Plaza article. I think a lot of the info is going into off-topic territory as well, and the content is mostly unsourced and sounds slightly promotional. On the bright side, this article doesn't contain any outright plagiarized phrases, so at least it's original. epicgenius (talk) 18:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: I do think Peter Minuit Plaza should maybe be spun-off as a separate article from Staten Island Ferry Whitehall Terminal, though. It also has stuff like the Jewish Tercentenary Monument.--Pharos (talk) 23:13, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Pharos, I think a split of the Minuit Plaza article should happen as well. Do you want to just split the article now, or should we wait? epicgenius (talk) 23:17, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Event venue?

This may have been part of the original vision for cultural programming at the plaza, but in practice I think Category:Event venues in Manhattan hardly applies.--Pharos (talk) 02:17, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Early history sources

The archaeological report on the Battery Playscape has a bit, though I would really like to access the archaeological report directly about the site, though can't seem to find it online or offline. Grumet's 1981 Native American place names in New York City is also of interest, I should be able to get that one at the library.--Pharos (talk) 16:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Kitahsënike / Kaapse Hoek etymology

Not sure how to treat this, some sources describe it is as Lenape (though with an imperfect vocabulary match), others as Dutch in origin. Quite possibly the Dutch form is a false etymology that's a reinterpretation of the original Lenape form.--Pharos (talk) 03:38, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

reversion

This edit was made per MOS:SCAREQUOTES, MOS:ANDOR, WP:REDNOT, WP:BADEMPHASIS, the definition of "potential", and improved syntax. It was reverted with no explanation other than "better before". Outside opinions are appreciated. Station1 (talk) 06:46, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

The writing of the original version is much better. Please do not edit war to decrease the value of Wikipedia. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

You have reverted the changes I made three times without the slightest explanation as to what your problem is with them, other than the insultingly dismissive and supremely unhelpful "better before". You asked to discuss on the talk page and then did not respond for four days despite being active. Per your request I gave 6 reasons for the changes. Please explain exactly what your issues are so that we can collaboratively improve the article. I will be happy to discuss any point in detail. Station1 (talk) 04:45, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with most of these changes, but I do have some comments:

• Peter Minuit Plaza sits on a historic point - If the site were an official landmark, it would be mentioned as such. Since it's not an official landmark, the "historic" nature of the site can be demonstrated by mentioning relevant dates. The fact that the plaza's site is "popularly associated with the early history of New Amsterdam, sometimes given as a possible location for the purchase of Manhattan Island by Peter Minuit in 1626", is enough to demonstrate this fact, thus rendering the adjective "historic" unnecessary.
• often given as a potential location for the "purchase" of Manhattan by Peter Minuit in 1626. - It is appropriate to say that the site is "sometimes given as a possible location", but if we want to say that it is "often" cited as a location for the purchase of Manhattan, we would need more than that one source. However, a redlink to Purchase of Manhattan Island is also appropriate because it falls under WP:REDYES. Pharos, who inserted the link, might have planned to create it later.
• Removing the quote marks was all right.
• The Battery's Netherland Monument depicts this purported exchange, and has been located at the nearby northeastern corner of that park since 1952. - The rewording was all right, but it may help to mention its location early on, e.g. "The Netherland Monument, installed nearby at the northeastern corner of Battery Park in 1952, depicts this purported exchange."

– Epicgenius (talk) 22:01, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments.

• Re Peter Minuit Plaza sits on a historic point: Agree with your comment. A further point is that I believe the plaza is on landfill. The point itself was basically north of State Street, which was more or less the shoreline. If any part of Peter Minuit Plaza is actually on the original point, it must be a very tiny bit at its far northern end.
• Re often given as a potential location for the "purchase" of Manhattan: my primary concern was the scare quotes. I'm not sure there's enough to say about the purchase for its own article as opposed to its coverage at New Amsterdam, but if anyone thinks there is I have no problem with a redlink, or, posssibly even better, a redirect with possibilities.
• Re the Netherlands Monument: I like your version better. Station1 (talk) 05:07, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Since there's been no further discussion by anyone for a couple of days, I've gone ahead and made the changes incorporating your comments I believe. I've also reinstated your MOS:DATEFORMAT edits that were reverted. Please adjust as necessary. Station1 (talk) 05:18, 8 August 2022 (UTC)