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Archives[edit]

dispute over notability of J. Faucounau's reading

Golden Ring from Mavro Spelio[edit]

Just for your information, Mr Bachmann, may I call your attention upon the "Annexe nยฐ 3" of the J.Faucounau's book Les Origines grecques ร  l'Age de Bronze ? It is a very short, accessory study of the said inscription, considered by J.F. as the only known document in Linear A, which could be written in Proto-Ionian Greek. A translation has even been given, but considered by the author as nothing but an interesting possibility (personal discussion with J.F. about one year ago). J.F. has emphasized in another article (unpublished but that he was kind enough to give me a copy of) that Linear A has been used to write several languages (including Semitic). But, of course, you will consider all this as amateur's dreaming , I guess... You are so well informed by one of your compatriots, Mr Bachmann !.. (User 80.90.57.154 , 17:12, March 26, 2006).

"Inscription Text" Section - Unicode?[edit]

Is there a reason that this section does not use the {{Unicode}} template? The net effect of that template is to add <span class="Unicode">...</span> tags around the text. That would thus enable the use of personal CSS stylesheets, as discussed on the documentation page for {{Unicode}}. Below is a sample of how I would propose to code this section:

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 โ€”Grollฯ„ech (talk) 00:47, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

I couldn't read any of that.Myrvin (talk) 18:16, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Flipped[edit]

The articles on both the disc and the associated axe list horizontally flipped images of the disc symbols. The 'pedestrians' and the 'heads' are depicted facing left while on the disc they face right. โ€” Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.42.228 (talk) 09:15, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Feline genus[edit]

Sign 29 is described as "head of animal of the feline genus". Perhaps "genus" is being used in a non-technical sense, but this is rather misleading since there are many feline genera. It would be better to say "feline family". Mnudelman (talk) 20:10, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Phaistos Disc and number of symbols per word[edit]

The Phaistos Disc has 30 words on one side and 31 on the other. There are between 2 and seven symbols in each word. Doesn't this give a clue as to what the symbols mean? Surely if the symbols were representing a written or spoken language the number of them per word would be more irregular? Isn't it more likely that the symbols are a mathematical entity? Where two pairs of the plumed heads line up (word 1 and word 14 and word 10 and word 19) there are five symbols in the outer word and 6 in the inner word in both cases. The probability of this being a chance occurrence is 1/6 to the power of 2 or 1/36 because there are 6 different numbers of symbol per word on the disc ( each word has either 2 symbols,3 symbols,4 symbols up to a maximum of seven symbols). Alex-the-grate2 (talk) 11:20, 21 September 2015 (UTC)Alex-the-grate2

river nile and phaistos disc[edit]

If you follow the chevrons on the disc they may coincide with the level of water in the river Nile ( spirals symbolizing whirlpools and one spiral being rising water and the other spiral falling water). The bow and arrow ( is arrow a lily?) word may correspond with the only other two symbol word on the disc at the disc centre -the helmet and water wave.The 2 symbol words would correspond to December 21st when the Nile starts to falls reaching its lowest level in june. It rises from june to December.

Authenticity[edit]

There is strong evidence against Eisenbergs fake hypotheses: "The strongest point for the authenticity of the Phaistos disk is the sealing from Phaistos, which contains just a single character. It is the only known parallel to sign 21 (the โ€œcombโ€) of the Phaistos disk. The sealing was not found by Pernier, as supposed with reservation by Eisenberg, but in a secured context by Doro Levi in 1955, i.e. 47 years a er the discovery of the disk." Citation from https://www.academia.edu/5996948/Notes_on_the_Authenticity_of_the_Phaistos_Disk

I suggest to add to the Authenticity section "after similar to the Phaistos Disc" "A sealing found in 1955 shows the only known parallel to sign 21 (the โ€œcombโ€) of the Phaistos disc. Notes on the Autheticity of the Phaistos disc" Kadmos (talk) 23:06, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Oblique strokes.[edit]

This site states that there are 18 oblique strokes on the disk. I think that in the name of science the page should state exactly where those strokes are, since there is disagreement on this subject. In fact, whereas the page here says that there are 18 oblique strokes, I count only 17 strokes in the actual disk photos on the page and your illustrations of the different cells (under the heading "inscription text"), show 17 strokes in the upper illustration and 19 strokes in the lower illustration. This needs straightening out. - Thank You. โ€” Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.153.48.25 (talk) 22:11, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Rotation[edit]

Do any of the sources suggest reasons for rotation of the characters? I can't see any discussion in the archive here and the current article summary of "This suggests that these rotations might be deliberate" seems a bit weak when the discussion only really mentions character crowding without any more obvious discussion among the experts as to whether rotation may be irrelevant or not (compared with the likes of Cree syllabics, for example). Harami2000 (talk) 08:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC)