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History, Symbols, and Creed

Added separate sections on History, Symbols, and Creed. Feel free to expand. Also added Creed, as it is public information and not confidential ritual. Antimonyfunk (talk) 20:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The creed does need to be sourced, however; unless a reliable source is provided, it is subject to deletion for not being verifiable. —C.Fred (talk) 22:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Oof, bigger problem. The website asserts copyright over the creed. Is there a strong reason why the entire creed needs to be in the article? Otherwise, it needs to come out for invalid use of non-free material. —C.Fred (talk) 00:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I added it for two reasons - it outlines the purposes and ideals of the Fraternity, which I figured would be a good thing to put in an article about the Fraternity. Another reason was that I was trying to write the article to the standard for Fraternity and Sorority articles - and most have the organizations creed/symphony/mission statement/what have you. Antimonyfunk (talk) 09:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

the creed is very important to have for Phi Mu, given that sisters are supposed to live, breath, and die (ideally, but not realistically) by the creed. Xoxokristen (talk) 04:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please clean up the use of the first person in the article where it talks about the mascot? Jmclark (talk) 01:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I tried cleaning and referencing up the notable alumnae, but someone kept deleting my changes. Can someone create pages for some of the alumna that don't have wikipedia pages, that seemed to be the biggest issue (cause anyone who is anyone has a wikipedia page apparently). In addition, do we need to add/delete some notable alumnae? Xoxokristen (talk) 03:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Sourcing is the bigger issue than having pages. Susan Harling is notable, based on the current source. However, it doesn't say she was a Phi Mu; a source that does state that is needed. —C.Fred (talk) 03:39, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree about the sourcing thing, and I did not put the alumnae in I was just trying to add some sources to the Miss Americas. Anyway, is the Phi Mu website not a good enough source for notable alumnae? Does it need to be something not related to Phi Mu? Xoxokristen (talk) 04:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Sorry Fred, I disagree. Sure, sourcing is an issue--and sourcing to the organization's own website flies in the face of WP:V and WP:RS. But it seems to be well-accepted, across Wikipedia, that "notable" means "having a Wikipedia article." Xoxo, if you are so interested in adding these people, why don't you write those stubs/articles? And source them? And I'll take your 'thank you' for writing Elizabeth Weaver. And just to make this abundantly clear, as I have done already in the edit summaries, and as should be clear to any Wikipedia editor: no, the Phi Mu website is NOT a good enough source. Of course not. Drmies (talk) 05:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Just a question, it is okay to use the Phi Mu website to say that they are Phi mu alumnae? They are the ones who control membership. I'll try to find sources for their accomplishments on a non Phi Mu source, but not all sources will say "blah blah was a supreme court justice in michigan and in her college days she was a phi mu." its is hard to find that they were phi mus else where and I don't believe that Phi Mu would lie about their members. 147.9.225.173 (talk) 15:50, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
Maybe they wouldn't lie, but they are still not a reliable source. Look at it another way: if there are no reliable sources saying some person was a Phi Mu in college, then maybe it's not a relevant detail. Drmies (talk) 16:21, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Carol Laise Bunker really was a very notable woman who lead an extraordinary life, however, sadly, she has been dead for quite a while and I think that if someone could write a wikipedia page for her that would be great. I referenced the ny times article about her death, but I really don't feel that I could write the article (I'm just not that talented). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xoxokristen (talk • contribs) 16:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Should the Phi Mu colors, Rose and White, be added under the Symbols? Brandymcook (talk) 19:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, since the mascot and such are also mentioned there. —C.Fred (talk) 19:52, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I have noticed that on some campuses, Phi Mus display the ladybug as a mascot alongside their lion. Is this a national/international secondary mascot, or is this due to some sort of ritual that can't be discussed? 130.160.242.181 (talk) 15:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)CLCollins

From what I have heard, Phi Mu can decide to change their mascot to a ladybug on any campus where Alpha Delta Pi is also colonized. ADPi and Phi Mu use the same mascot: a lion. Both sororities are very similar, so perhaps it's to cut down on confusion between the two? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.95.1.134 (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I appreciated that all the information I read was accurate and to the point there weren't any frivolous details not relevant to Phi Mu. Sam.i.am98 (talk) 19:02, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Badge Image

Is there any reason a picture of the badge is not included in this article? Members were it openly and adding it would keep with the format of other Greek pages. Auddie (talk) 21:00, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

There was an image of the badge, but it was deleted due to improper licensing (it claimed to be CC-BY-SA 2.0 but wasn't, apparently). There's nothing preventing an image from being created. —C.Fred (talk) 21:13, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

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Unfortunately the link to the Phi Mu National website is no longer a valid one... Whatever page was intended is now expired. It does take you to their website, but the page within the website you had chosen is no longer valid. I feel that you should reevaluate this and add one that is current. Sam.i.am98 (talk) 18:50, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Please remember to keep wikipedia free from bias and keep all articles Non Point Of View (NPOV). Copying and pasting from Phi Mu's philanthropy page does not cut it. If you want to add a section on the wiki page about the philanthropy of Phi Mu write it in your own words and add it. Also, as for notable alumnae, please add only those who have a wikipedia page. It looks horrible with all that red. For example, 'If your notables are so notable why don't they have a wiki page.' Either create a page for them, or leave them off. Please remember the notables is a suggestion only in regards to the layout of the phi mu wiki page. The Copyright warning is valid so please don't do it. --ImmortalGoddezz 19:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


Someone should add Edith Ronne, she was a Phi Mu at George Washington U and is a famous explored who just passed away. Not on national org's page, but you can find verification on other pages.

Personally I sensed bias in some lines, even though the information is in fact accurate.. The wording sometimes isn't the best. For example, instead of describing the second to last line of the creed as Phi Mu's most important value. Something along the lines of the second to last line of the creed is what is expected of each Phi Mu to embody the most in her life. Sam.i.am98 (talk) 18:47, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Notable alumnae bloat

There are several alumnae currently listed who are not notable people per Wikipedia standards—and don't have their own articles.

There are a few unlinked, like Miss America contestants, that would make sense to keep. The business owners, on the other hand, I don't see a compelling reason to keep.

Should I selectively prune or take out every unlinked/redlinked alumna? —C.Fred (talk) 17:36, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

In my opinion just because some of these alumnae don't have their own Wikipedia pages does not mean they aren't "successful". Maybe, instead of deleting them off the list pages should be made for them. Sam.i.am98 (talk) 18:52, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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Blackface incident

Since it got national coverage, does that warrant a mention, even though it relates to just one chapter? —C.Fred (talk) 02:59, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

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A current tool to use to stay updated with the accomplishments constantly being made my Phi Mu's is their magazine the Aglaia. I'm adding the link to it maybe someone can add this into the article. http://digitaleditions.sheridan.com/publication/?m=22639&l=1&p=&pn= Sam.i.am98 (talk) 18:58, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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