Talk:Pierre Moulu

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Cathedral

The cathedral of St. Stephens does not exist in Meaux. The cathedral there is called St. Etienne. Which Stephane is meant? --Roomsixhu from de.wikipdia.org

Good point. It was added by this anonymous editor [1] -- it wasn't in my source when I wrote the article. I'll look to see if it is St. Etienne. Antandrus (talk) 23:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would be greatful. Do You know something about the other names like Descaudain, Jean le Brung and Andreas de Silva? I translated from the netherland version and there are these dead links. Finally what means "vv" in Works? Vocal Voices? I just did not know how to translate it in german. Do you know Heinrich Fabers compendium and introductio?-- Room 608 (A Horace Silver piece) from de.wikipdia.org —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.187.49.118 (talk) 01:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Descaudain/Descaudin appears to be a very minor composer; I cannot find any information in the online Grove, other than that sometimes things are attributed to him. Jean le Brung has a short article there and should probably get a writeup--he was a bass singer at Louis XII's court in France, and he left some magnificats and motets. Birth/death unknown, but flourished 1498-1515. Andreas de Silva is another composer I haven't written the biography for yet... born 1475-1480, wrote masses, many motets, and Fors seulement. Possibly Spanish, and may have been the papal secretary around 1520. Thank you for pointing these out! I'm looking for articles I've missed. "vv" means "voices (more than one)". So "4vv" is "four voices." It's a little silly I know, since "4v" would mean the same thing. Happy editing! Antandrus (talk) 01:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I´m just reading.

Finally could You illustrate me the meaning (sorry german grammar) " smooth polyphony with exactly equal voices". Are the voices really equal? Or do they move only in the same direction like it is suggested by "smooth polyphonie"? --Roomsixhu —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.187.49.118 (talk) 01:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Your English is better than my German, LOL. Voices equal in that none predominate: none sing in longer notes than others (as in a cantus-firmus style); they have equal "weight", like the four voices in (some) fugues. Moulu's style was similar to Josquin's; indeed some attribution problems have arisen because of it. Antandrus (talk) 01:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great, I just got a glimpse of it. I will look up the terms here, "weight" ressembles "Gewicht" and I recall it in that context. Thank you very much. I just wondered how much you can know about a music theoretican of the Renaissance. Our article Faber is a bit longer. Greeting --Roomsixhu —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.187.49.118 (talk) 01:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I will correct this too. One question remains: Does Your reference show, that St. Stephan und St Etienne are identical Saints or somehow related or did the citizens of Meaux rename the cathedral? It Seems strange a talk about identity of Saints.;-) Roomsixhu

Hello again! Can you read French? I translated this page on the cathedral [2] from the French wiki last night. St Etienne and Saint Stephen are the same; Saint Stephen was the first Christian martyr (Stephanus in de:) Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 19:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I further found this: Ville de Saint-Étienne, en France ; gentilé : Stéphanois. Finally its a matter of etymolgy and language, quite difficult. And I corrected my links to the first martyr. I have no more questions at the moment. But I learned about interestic topics: renaissance music, saints and wunderful cathedrales. Cheers! -- de:Benutzer:Roomsixhu Very late here 4.00 a.m. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.187.46.22 (talk) 02:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Composers Project Review

I have reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of B-class articles. You can find my detailed review on the comments page. The article's main defect is lack of images. B-class, but very near A. Feel free to leave comments here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 16:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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==Composers Project Assessment of Pierre Moulu: 2008-11-15==

This is an assessment of article Pierre Moulu by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano.

If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down.

Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status.

===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?

OK

===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

OK

===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

OK

===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.

OK

===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?

OK

===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)

No images or audio clips.

===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?

Well referenced, but insufficient inline cites for GA

===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)

OK. (I made some changes to the article to line up better with WP:LAYOUT.)

===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review===

Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE)
Article needs (more) images and/or other media (MOS:IMAGE)

===Summary=== This article appears to be reasonably complete, given the apparent level of knowledge about the subject. Its failings are primarily WP:MOS-related. It is long enough that it should have an image of the subject if possible, and probably one more (to dress up the works list). For GA or similar review, each paragraph should be cited.

If imagery is added, I would argue for an A-class rating. Magic♪piano 16:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 13:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 02:59, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

List of works

In the "Music" section some of Moulu's supposed works are said to be of disputed authorship, but in the following list of his works several are said quite positively to be by other composers. Why then are they in a list of Moulu's works? The absence of footnotes in that section makes this problem harder to sort out. --Antiquary (talk) 10:15, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]