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Donax deltoides

"It was previously known as Donax deltoides."

So far as I can tell it still is known as Donax deltoides. The Australian Museum website is considered by several Australian biologists to be the most reliable source of web information on this, and lists it as Donax. Journal articles use Donax much more frequently than Plebidonax. The wikipedia article on Donacidae does not list Plebidonax as a genus. (Mollwollfumble (talk) 18:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Yes, this has me confused, too, Mollwollfumble. Situation hasn't changed in 10 years (Plebidonax is still a red link and Donacidae doesn't list Plebidonax). Some sources I'm looking at have it as a subgenus: Donax (Plebidonax) deltoides. I'm hoping to find the right material to add a "taxonomy" section to our article. Commons doesn't have categories for any of {Donax deltoides, Plebidonax deltoides, Donax (Plebidonax) deltoides}; I'd like to be able to get that right, too. Pelagic (talk) 16:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done Have added taxonomy section and reworded first sentence. Pelagic (talk) 21:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done After consideration, I've come down on the side of Plebidonax rather than Donax, as there is some genetic sequence evidence that the species might belong in a different family (or maybe the two families should be merged into a single clade). Have created Commons cat's for Plebidonax and P. deltoides and added {{Commons cat}} to External links here. Not sure what Commons' policy is for redirects or cats for alternate scientific names? Pelagic (talk) 01:28, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

External links and sources

[Rewriting this. Damn mobile editor lost my work when the page reloaded. The developers claim it saves state but so often it does not.]

Parking these here for potential use in the article.

Australian Museum. common pipi Photo shows one animal with foot and siphons extended. Queensland Museum Eugarie. Museums Victoria [1] lists Plebidonax explicitly as a subgenus.
Atlas of Living Australia also gives it as subgenus [2]. But I haven't found where demoting rank from genus to subgenus was proposed.
"Traditionally placed in Donacidae, but the type species was shown in a molecular study by Combosch et al. (2017) as 'not a member of Donacidae and instead nests within Psammobiidae.'" Rüdger Bieler, WoRMS note Dec 2016. [3]
Original description of genus Plebidonax (see pages 398, 407): Iredale T. (1930) More notes on the marine Mollusca of New South Wales. Records of the Australian Museum 17(9): 384-407, pls 62-65. [Published 27 June 1930] [4] Perceiving three different series of Australian donacoids that do "not agree with the type of Donax, nor with Chion", Iredale assigned new genera: Donax deltoides Lamarck → Plebidonax deltoides; Donax veruinus Hedley → Tentidonax veruinus; Deltachion virilis and Deltachion electilis species novae. He appears to leave Donax brazieri Smith untouched.
- Hedley (1923) Proc. Linn. Soc. NSW 48 plate xxxi, figs 17–18
- Smith (1891) Proc Zool. soc. (Lond.) p 491 pl 49 fig 19
Donax (Plebidonax) deltoides, Dept of Primary Industries. "Status of fisheries resources in NSW 2008/2009: Pipi" Decline in catch from 2003–2008.
Ferguson & Hooper, Assessment of the South Australian Pipi (Donax deltoides) Fishery in 2016/17. [5]
(Plebi)donax deltoides (Lamarck) Ashleigh Moy (2014) University of Queensland. Description, life history, etc.
- Mentions use of "Plebidonax" in Lamprell & Whitehead, 1992, presumably Bivalves of Australia. "This has still not been fully accepted and much of the information accessible on the species is still referred to as being a member of the Donax genus."

Pelagic (talk) 18:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Original species description: Lamarck, Histoire naturelle des animaux sans vertèbres…, tome 5 page 547, "5. Donace deltoïde". [6] [7] Note that Lamarck also lists D. columbella, D. australis, D. epidermia, D. triquetra habitat in New Holland, some in the Port of King George.

Pelagic (talk) 10:16, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]