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Surely we don't need a reference marker after every number in the list of town populations? The one initial reference in the sentence preceding the list ought to be enough.--Kotniski (talk) 08:38, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree - I was just ticking each one off as I updated. I have removed them now.--Marek69 00:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:11, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Subcarpathian Voivodeship → Podkarpackie Voivodeship — Podkarpackie is the English name used by the local governmental unit. The Assembly of European Regions uses "Podkarpackie" [1]. So does the European Union proper. Searching its website for "Podkarpackie" gets you 146, or 18.25 times more hits [2]. The Polish government uses Podkarpackie. Subcarpathian Voivodeship should be kept as a redirect. Ajh1492 (talk) 12:50, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give some links to official pages using Podkarpacie (without the "k")? Why do you prefer this form rather than Podkarpackie?--Kotniski (talk) 13:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A typo ... updated Ajh1492 (talk) 13:06, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Oppose. I'm not convinced. The Assembly of European Regions map you cite[3] doesn't use English for any regions (e.g., they use Toscana, Bretagne, Bayern, &c). The only English external link in the article uses "Sub-carpathian". Note that official names should not trump common English usage (WP:UCN/WP:UE) per WP:OFFICIALNAMES. — AjaxSmack 02:15, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What link are you referring to? Also, this seems to be a bit of a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, mixed in with the fact that Wikipedia is often very slow to recognize that it's not 1955 anymore.

Support. There's no indication that "Subcarpathian" is used extensively in English in reference to the Voivodeship (in reference to the geographic region, possibly). Check google books: "Subcarpathian Voivodeship" gets 257 hits... but ALL OF THEM are Wikipedia mirrors [4]. This should tell you right there that Wikipedia is the only major serious English language source using this terminology. "Podkarpackie Voivodeship" gets only 11 hits, but at least they're legit (1 is in a foreign language) [5]. Britannica uses just "Podkarpackie", which was a suggestion made by Kotniski (and one which I would support as an alternative here). EU also uses "Podkarpackie" (for example). So does European Commission [6]. Here's another site often used on Wikipedia as a source (Jewishgen), which also uses "Podkarpackie". American consulates in Poland are listed under names like "Podkarpackie" [7]. Move it.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per Volunteer Marek. Template:Subcarpathian Voivodeship and Template:Voivodeships of Poland will also need amending. The only English external link in the article is hardly a reliable source, given that it's written in a form of Pidgin English. Skinsmoke (talk) 20:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the name Subcarpathian Voivodeship may be "Wiki-vention" (original research). I can find "Subcarpathian voivodeship" -Llc minimum 173, but all of them are quoted from Wikipedia. Takabeg (talk) 03:32, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Mentioning of Lwow / Lviv

The mentioning of Lviv is out of a context in the article when it is mentioned as the administrative center of the voivodeship laying a territorial claim and demonstrates a Polish chauvinism. A similar claim can be considered from the Ukrainian side that some territory of the voivodeship is occupied since the 14th century after being conquered during the fall of the Kingdom of Rus. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 14:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT-free zone

WP:RSes are reporting that district authorities have declared this Voivodeship as a "LGBT-free zone". This seems to be rather pertinent information on this Voivodeship. Content was removed in diff. Icewhiz (talk) 09:36, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The article you created itself does not pass notability and the material certainly is inappropriate for a geographic general level article such as this one. Additionally, your mass insertion of this text into multiple articles at once simply because I suggested the material be merged into LGBT rights in Poland is a textbook example of WP:POINT and WP:BATTLEGROUND. You even tried to insert it into articles that are completely unrelated to the topic [8].Volunteer Marek (talk) 14:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The notability of the article (that does clearly passes GNG) is immaterial for inclusion here. The regional assembly declared all of this Voivodeship a LGBT-free zone - this is clearly relevant to this article. Possibly, we should also have a category. Icewhiz (talk) 14:22, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Name removal

Khan Tengri,

I did not refer necessarily other voivoideships, but widely many other areas, regions, administrative divisions, etc. There is no consensus for removal, if you stick to it, involve WikiProject Poland and convince them.(KIENGIR (talk) 12:42, 30 November 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Further moves

Following on from the documented discussion above, this page has been moved 4 times, over the last 10+ years. @Vegaswikian moved it in accordance with this discussion, but since then, @Merangs, @Severo, and lastly @Takmabyc have all moved it backwards and forwards, none of them having the courtesy to open a new discussion here first. The end result is that, contrary to the discussion above, Podkarpackie Voivodeship is (once again) a redirect to Subcarpathian Voivodeship. I won't be so discourteous as to move the article yet again before seeking broader consensus. I've seen various arguments for which name should be the main article title, none of which are particularly convincing for me. I am more convinced by this MOS which I would interpret as saying that we should now leave this article here, as Subcarpathian Voivodeship. Any comments would be most welcome. Regards, Kiwipete (talk) 07:24, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]