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Another popular area for pond hockey tournaments is the pond in Lindenhurst, New York, at the Town Hall of Babylon. Two young college players, Tim LaRocco and Joe Calasso, both natives of Lindenhurst, have an unofficial undefeated record in over eight years of games on the pond.
Isn't this self-promotional? And the ref link doesn't work, gives a 404 error. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:50, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
It's entirely spurious, the ref isn't even for that passage: 184.108.40.206 (talk) 11:59, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree - thanks for your edits. Awickert (talk) 18:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
The 'native' origin story has never been proven. In fact, hockey likely comes from camanachd, the Scottish version of hurley. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:40, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
It is not a competition, right? A game nearly identical to hockey has been played on both field and ice in North America since prehistoric times, and sticks and pucks have been found by archaeologists, and are in museums especially in the north. I will look for those forms of evidence. The northern woodland tribes are all known to have played the game, on fields in summer for practice & on frozen lakes and ponds as the main sport, with rinks more like the size used now (various as that size can be in pond hockey & shinny). I did not know it was played in the SW US. I had only heard of a ball game with sticks very much like hurling and field hockey. Native history of recreation is often not documented in history books in a manner that helps with citations. It is still passed from grandparent to child in the southwest, through stories told as chores are done, or at bedtime. I messaged a tribal education director / historian I know in NM and asked for published versions, when she confirmed the game, called shi'ini, to find out more about its similarities. She said Puebloans played it too & that it had not used fields of the length cited since ancient times and she would look for the exact info and sources over the weekend. There is a phrase that may be new to some readers. When a Native person says, "It is said..." they refer to the fact that many varied pieces of oral history and teaching stories contain whatever info follows. It is a cultural phrase. I will seek someone expert to cite, but that phrase is not the same as saying someone famous or learned first said it as with other citations. It means something more like, "among the Native People it is common knowledge and has been said and known for generations." It is used instead of "everyone knows" when speaking to another culture as they cannot of course be expected to know the collective oral history, not having been raised on it. Asking for a "by whom," is like asking for the first person to figure out a certain berry is edible. Who it was is not recorded, or passed down, and predates the feeling of needing to know who said it because people will decide for themselves if the knowledge fits their needs. A different view of knowledge. It was the info that mattered, not who first said it, at the time when ancient knowledge was found. So that is not really a reference to a specific person but to ancient knowledge accepted by that culture as a whole. "It is said," also means the person is not taking credit for what was taught to them and everyone they know, a form of polite humility that is expected when recounting collective knowledge, in Native culture. It means it is not their own opinion, that they are not being egotistical or smarter than anyone. It's about good manners as much as the above reasons. Anyone who has not spent a lot of time with that culture might not have come across that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:52, 20 November 2015 (UTC)