Talk:Pope Honorius III

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Treaty of San Germano?[edit]

This article asserts the treaty of San Germano occurred in July 1225. However, the article "Treaty of San Germano" dates in July 1230. The former date belongs to the pontificate of Honiorius III whereas the later to that of Gregory IX. Moreover, it is not clear how the treaty delayed the crusade. Maybe there were two treaties by that name?

Top.Squark 20:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


"The attribution of a grimoire or book of demonic spells to this pope is part of a hoax."-

Do we have a source for this? If anyone can Verify this, please leave a comment here or on my User Page. Sephiroth storm 22:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Use of other material[edit]

This article parrots the Catholic Encyclopedia a bit too closely. In particular

" Like his famous predecessor Innocent III, he had set his mind on the achievement of two great things, the recovery of the Holy Land and a spiritual reform of the entire Church; but quite in contrast with him he sought these achievements by kindness and indulgence rather than by force and severity."

is a straight copy. This is not bad for matters of fact, but is bad practice when it characterizes an individual--in this case, two individuals. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skip.knox (talkcontribs) 16:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

The image in the infobox[edit]

B Honorius III3.jpg

Does anyone know anything about the image in the infobox? Who painted it? When was it painted? Is it really Honorius?--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

File:B Honorius III3.jpg

Pope Honorous III (1216-1227) would not have worn the triregnum (papal tiara with three crowns) as only much later did Pope Boniface VIII (1294-1303) add a second crown to show his spiritual and temporal jurisdiction, and the third papal crown was added sometime between the pontificate of Pope Boniface VIII and before the death of Pope Benedict XII (1334-1342), thus this painting shown in this image file is not historically accurate if this painting was actually meant to portray Honorius III.[1]
Another consideration is how the Vatican itself presents the symbolism of the papal tiara:
The Triregnum (the Papal Tiara formed by three crowns symbolizing the triple power of the Pope: father of kings, governor of the world and Vicar of Christ) from the XVIII Century, with which the bronze statue of Saint Peter is crowned every June 29th, the feast day of the Saint...[2]
suggesting to me that this artwork (if intended to portray Pope Honorius III) was produced with the historically inaccurate number of crowns in order to carry some propaganda message, particularly if this artwork (and other similar examples of papal portraits with inaccurate crown count) was produced during the period of time following and after the demise of the Papal States between the First War of Italian Independence (1848-1849) and the Lateran Treaty (1929).Bee Cliff River Slob (talk) 16:47, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Camerlengo and Treasurer[edit]

The text currently states: "then he became Camerlengo of the Holy Roman Church in January 1188 and Cardinal Deacon of Santa Lucia in Silice on 20 February 1193. Under Pope Clement III and Pope Celestine III he was treasurer of the Roman Church." But 'Camerlengo' means Chamberlain, and the Camerlengo was the Chamberlain of the Apostolic Chamber (Camera), which was the Papal Treasury. In later times, the Chamberlain had a deputy who was called 'Treasurer of the Apostolic Camera'. I suggest that the text is a dittography. Vicedomino (talk) 17:29, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

  1. ^ "Catholic Encyclopedia - Tiara".
  2. ^ "Tiara". Holy See Press Office.