Talk:Prehistoric Wales

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this is a copy from the talk page of History of Wales: from the article: "the earliest known human remains discovered in modern-day Wales is a human tooth, found in a cave in the valley of the River Elwy in north Wales, whose owner lived about 250,000 years ago in the Lower Palaeolithic period". 250,000 years ago? according to the "evolution" section in the human article "Anatomically modern humans appear in the fossil record in Africa about 130,000 years ago." no matter what book it's from i do not believe that humans were in wales 250kya. though this link claims that neanderthals were in wales "between 60,000 and 40,000 years ago." i believe the claim that humans were in wales 250kya is absurd for many reasons. not only does this contradict the examples given but it also a date close to the estimated emergence of Homo Sapiens Sapiens itself. it should be removed. seeing as that i do not have the book to refrence i would appreciate it if someone could double check it. though i am tempted to remove it and probably will. there is no way that Homo Sapiens Sapiens were in Wales or even in Europe 225kya. it should be changed and needs to be changed. this is terrible that misinformation like this is on wikipedia.--Tainter 03:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Quote from this article: "The earliest known human remains discovered in modern-day Wales is a human tooth, found in a cave in the valley of the River Elwy in north Wales, whose owner probably lived during a temperate phase between 225,000 and 186,000 years ago in the Lower Palaeolithic period and is usually classified as early Neanderthal. [1] This is the furthest north-westerly site at which Neanderthal remains have been found. The remains of classic Neanderthals were found at Coygan Cave and have been dated to about 50,000 years ago." Aldhouse-Green and Lynch are not using the term "human" to mean Homo sapiens sapiens here - if you READ the above you will see that it actually says "early Neanderthal", who were in Europe before 300,000 years ago. Still have it your own way - I have had enough and am quitting Wikipedia. Rhion 09:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can see Rhion is right and Tainter did not read the article properly. Neandethal man was indeed around in NW Europe at that time, long before the emergence of H. sap. sap. Rhion- please do not quit! Tainter- OK, we all make mistakes; at least you discussed before editing. Best Wishes, IceDragon64 22:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)