Talk:Pretty Little Liars

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About the table showing viewership numbers for every single episode of the series...[edit]

First of all, I think it is excessive, especially in this parent article. Expressing average viewership per season would be a better approach than staring at a whole bunch of numbers. Even if the intent is to show trends in the viewership from episode to episode, there would need to be context as to how these trends are significant to the series.

Secondly, it shows no references to verify each of the numbers. While anyone could look in the LoE article to check each individual episode's viewership (which is sourced there), it is way too much to go back and forth between the LoE and parent articles to do that. I will note that this table is also found in the LoE article, which again I say is excessive, but not only that - it is also an unnecessary duplication of effort. Transclusion may be a better way to handle having the table in two places, although if this table is to exist, it's better it stay in the LoE article, since the viewership data for each episode is already sourced there. (Still, going back and forth to verify numbers in a separate location for accuracy, even in the same article, is overkill.)

Thirdly, and consequently from the last point, this is a huge attraction for vandalism. As I've seen a few times already, numbers are being changed by IPs, and with no references to check, how will watchers of these articles (like myself) know that their reverting is the right call if the numbers are wrong to begin with?

Thus, I am removing the table from both articles, primarily for a lack of sourcing (and again, read my second point above for more). If it's to be restored, there will need to be references for each number, per WP:V, and it should be limited to one article, preferably the LoE one. I've stated my objection to the table, and will uphold it, but if others want the table, discuss its merits here. MPFitz1968 (talk) 17:06, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

My view is that that table would be fine at List of Pretty Little Liars episodes, but only if all of the figures are referenced/sourced. But I agree that it does not belong at the main article... --IJBall (contribstalk) 17:12, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
A lot of parent articles for tv shows have a table showing the average viewership for the entire season as a whole but not every episode. I think it should stay but not at the expensive of it constantly being vandalised. Brocicle (talk) 17:23, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Not sure what inspired this hatnote[edit]

The removal of this note about uses of "PLL" [1] seems proper. For one thing, typing PLL in the search redirects to a completely different, and irrelevant, article ("Phase-locked loop"). And where outside of the social media (Twitter, Facebook, instant messaging, chat rooms, etc.) is this abbreviation used for the show? Doesn't seem to fit the encyclopedic nature of Wikipedia. It is listed on the disambiguation page for PLL, and it appears okay in that respect, but mentioning it in a hatnote here doesn't seem right. MPFitz1968 (talk) 19:09, 17 July 2017 (UTC)