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Reducing promotional verbiage[edit]

I cut a load of empty promotional verbiage. Much of it was repetive and simply talking up how wonderful the show, as yet without even a script, was going to be. Before you revert it,. look at each sentence and consider if it really means anything at all, other than "It will be great!!!! Really!!!!" I did, it doesn't. A statement needs not only to have a source, but actually say something notable, before it should be included. Barsoomian (talk) 14:32, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

No, you're right. I misread what was removed. Melicans (talk, contributions) 15:55, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Might like to mention how the series 'Jumped The Shark' so many times it left the viewer with several incompatible arcs to 'follow'. It was another show where the writers seemed to make it up as they went along! Which arc or arcs will the new episodes be following; or perhaps they will all be fillers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.30.15.62 (talk) 17:19, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Please note: Do not use the talk page as a forum or soapbox for discussing the topic. Barsoomian (talk) 18:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Ratings[edit]

Disappointed to see through the page history the low ratings figure gradually factored out of the article altogether, with a final "not notable"-type edit summary on its eventual removal. It's definitely important to get some idea of Canadian ratings in, and its removal looks more like damage limitation. Spoiler TV has been used elsewhere on Wikipedia, so I don't think that's enough to take it out, and Bill Brioux (their source) is known for his work on Canadian ratings. 212.225.120.210 (talk) 17:27, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

There are two sources for ratings of Canadian tv (if you aren't a journalist or a broadcaster). One only covers the most popular shows - the formal weekly top 30 from BBM that comes out on Fridays. The other many people don't like because he is now a freelance journalist - the gent you named who reports on more than just the top shows. He is the 'tvbythenumbers of Canada' and unlike the guys who run that site is actually a professional journalist but he mostly uses blogger and twitter so he is summarily dismissed by most everyone on Wikipedia. TPTB have effectively marginalised all Canadian tv viewership data since the top 30 is almost all of the time hockey, US imports, and news. It is a no-win for anyone who is interested in domestic television. What makes me sad is that it was a Canadian who declared the Canadian viewer data not reliable or notable enough to bother with something other than the spoilertv reference.
If you saw the numbers for The Borgias you would be wondering why Bell agreed to a third season. When a show looses about 80% of its audience from season 1 to season 2 logic says there won't be a season 3. Since Bell and Take 5 are the Canadian side of the Irish-Canadian-Hungarian production one would think the failure of the show in Canada would have some impact but all that is reported is the huge popularity in the USA on Showtime. With Primeval New World it is the success in the UK which is being reported while the premiere 134000 viewers failure in Canada is swept under the rug. XIII also premiered with 134000 viewers on Showcase and from there it went apparently so bad noone wants to publish any of the data publicly and Shaw isn't showing season 2 even thought they initially said they would be beginning a month ago. I don't think any of the Wikipedia contributors work in Bell or Shaw's PR departments and news agencies are unlikely to report on tv show failures in Canada. It comes down to the only source for these low-rated shows is not considered a reliable source by other contributors. The omission does skew the information but i don't think it is being done with malicious intent. What is odd is that when Bill Brioux has an article published by TorStar or Canadian Press he is totally the go-to-guy but when he self-publishes many say he is to be avoided. delirious & lost~hugs~ 02:34, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

UK Air Dates[edit]

Does anyone have any references for the upcoming episodes, because currently, the table of episodes shows that the final episode will air on April 2, 2013 in the UK, 1 day after the release of the DVD (according to Amazon) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazza-l911 (talkcontribs) 21:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I would guess the UK dates that far into the season are a guess and if the Amazon date is correct then Watch might show eps 12 & 13 on the same night as it is a two-part season finale. UK dvd releases sometimes are quick but it is rare they precede broadcast of the season/series finale. The most recent listing on RadioTimes is for a new episode is the 6th on 12 February. delirious & lost~hugs~ 01:25, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Episode 12 copyright violation[edit]

I earlier removed the summaries for episodes 12 & 13,[1] because they appeared to have been copied and pasted from other websites, episode 12 from television.thevro.com and episode 13 from mediafired0wns.blogspot.com.au. The content was subsequently restored by SynergyBlades,[2] who started the following discussion on my talk page:[3]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Primeval New World[edit]

Please be more careful in future reverting what you believe to be copyright violations for episode descriptions. I can't speak for the episode 12 write-up but I wrote the finale one myself directly after watching the episode. SynergyBlades (talk) 18:43, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

That's strange, because a google search shows it was added by an IP,[4] 2 days after it was added to http://mediafired0wns.blogspot.com.au/2013/02/primeval-new-world-s01e13-480p-hdtv-mkv.html. --AussieLegend () 18:54, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that's my IP - I wasn't logged in at the time (I will log out and leave an addendum here to prove the point). I don't know what the deal is with that site, but clearly, its publishing date/time is well off. SynergyBlades (talk) 19:01, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
My IP address. 212.225.116.44 (talk) 19:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I live in Canada. I began writing the summary for episode 12 as I watched it on my PVR an hour after it aired. Look at the times in the history; I edited the air count at 04:45 UTC. UTC, the same as GMT, is five hours ahead of my timezone (EST). 04:45 UTC on 13 February translates to 23:45 EST on 12 February; 45 minutes after the episode aired. The summary was then written over the course of the next 20 minutes and was saved at 05:07 UTC or 00:07 EST, just one hour and seven minutes after the episode finished airing in Canada. I think it is fairly obvious that the torrent website you linked above is the one copying the summaries from Wikipedia, not the other way around. Melicans (talk, contributions) 23:21, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
The website that I linked to had the summary for episode 13, not 12. The episode summary for episode 12 I found at television.thevro.com. The summary that Melicans added was slightly different to the summary that was removed. It was lacking this part, that was added later by an IP from New Zealand. --AussieLegend () 00:02, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

As I pointed out, the mediafired0wns.blogspot.com.au entry is dated 2 days prior to the addition here. However, given the problems with that site I'm willing to assume good faith and accept SynergyBlades' assertion that he was the original author of the episode 13 summary. Episode 12 presents some additional problems. While Melicans (who lives in Canada) did add the episode 12 summary to the article, it was modified later by an IP from New Zealand.[5] It was the completed summary that was removed and that matches exactly what is at television.thevro.com. I have subsequently received an email from that site claiming authorship of the summary. Until such time as Melicans can prove it was all his work, it has to be removed from the article as a copyright violation. --AussieLegend () 13:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

What proof can I provide beyond the times indicated in the page history? That IP address is not mine and that final portion was not added by me. I watched the episode within an hour of the airing and wrote the summary as I did so. I don't really know what else I can say. The website you received the email from is the one that has copied content from Wikipedia; not the other way around. Melicans (talk, contributions) 14:54, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm with Aussie on this. It's very hard to prove what site had it first, any hint of it being on another site, has to be taken down and rewritten. It's a way to cover our backs. As a result, I have removed the last episode summary. But a quick search of other summaries reveals other potential copy vio's...something which may want to be addressed. MisterShiney 15:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Again, please be very careful with your assertions. A Google search using my episode summary does *not* link back to the ITV website - only URLs to itvprimeval.proboards.com, which are Primeval fan forums who appear to have copy-and-pasted the episode summary from Wikipedia. This is the last time I will contribute to this, as this sort of unnecessary back-and-forth reminds why I took a back seat from editing Wikipedia.SynergyBlades (talk) 17:32, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps. But as Aussie Legend has already said, a search links it to a blog that put it up 2 days before an IP user added it. As I have previously said, as per Policy, it has to be taken down and rewritten before it can be re added. You are more than welcome to re write it yourself. MisterShiney 21:49, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Have you ever thought about making a second seas on to Primeval New world[edit]

I Think you should make a second season to Primeval new world because it left a HUGE cliffhangar and i'm dying to know what is going to happen and if they made it back to their world or not 

If you need to talk to me about this topic you can email me at aaronampong@gmail.com

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