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People's Republic of Poland

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People's Republic of Poland is called as "People's Republic of Poland" and not as "Post War Communist Regime" as I know, but in a section (just like every Poland-related article) its written "Communist Regime" that redirects to the page of People's Republic of Poland, in a fashion that it insists it was a regime rather than a country. That is a completely biased point of view and anti-communist involvement in Wikipedia totally damages the neutrality. Facts don't care much about your feelings regarding the names of nations. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 13:11, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst the name of the country was "People's Republic of Poland" at the time, this is an article about Poland and the fact that during this period it was communist is more significant to the article than the name at that time. --John B123 (talk) 14:07, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@John B123: I have one simple question for you. Is Republic of Poland called "Post Revolution Capitalist Regime"? If its not, than the same shall apply to the People's Republic of Poland, which wasn't officially called as "Communist Regime" but as a "People's Republic" by the goverment, and it was indeed a such regarding true political terminology. When you call "communist" to a nation, it needs to be a stateless, classless, moneyless entity. Maybe the PZNR and politicians were communist but the nation was far beyond it. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 18:26, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Comrade-yutyo - PZPR no PZNR. (The Polish United Workers' Party (Polish: Polska Zjednoczona Partia Robotnicza), commonly abbreviated to PZPR, was the communist party which governed the Polish People's Republic as a one-party state from 1948 to 1989. Ideologically, it was based on the theories of Marxism-Leninism, with a strong focus on left-wing nationalism.) GizzyCatBella🍁 18:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@GizzyCatBella: The nation wasn't communist tho, nor its official name was "Communist Regime". It wasn't also 1 party regime. There were other parties such as United People's Party. And even if it was one party and Marxism-Leninism is a state ideology, its biased to not call it by its official name. Constitutionally, Republic of Poland defends capitalist free market economy and Jesus is the king of nation so let's call it "Capitalist Conservative Regime". Can I change every single text of "Republic of Poland" to that? Is it biased or not? If not, then I am gonna do that right now. If it is, then I want to apply my bias fix here. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 19:02, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can you find sources that Republic of Poland is a "Capitalist Conservative Regime"? GizzyCatBella🍁 19:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@GizzyCatBella: Can you find sources that People's Republic of Poland is a "Communist Post-War Regime" the same way I can find its a "Capitalist Conservative Regime"? Make a decision already, the both are the same logic. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 19:40, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comrade-yutyo On Wikipedia we try to find common ground where there is a difference of opinion, we certainly don't respond to demands. --John B123 (talk) 19:27, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@John B123: The fact that People's Republic of Poland is called People's Republic of Poland and not as "Communist Regime" is quite objective. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 19:40, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Comrade-yutyo - [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. - GizzyCatBella🍁 19:49, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@GizzyCatBella: Those books are totally unbiased, right? Please recheck your neutrality and then criticize my own. I am putting tons articles about the issue than. Sure they are unbiased as well.
References for "Capitalist Catholic Theocratic Corrupted Poland"[1][2][3][4]--Comrade-yutyo (talk) 19:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ Comrade-yutyo besides the fact that these are rather not a RS's, none of them state that the Republic of Poland is a "Capitalist Conservative Regime". Maybe John B123 wants to continue this conversation, but I have to go, sorry.GizzyCatBella🍁 20:23, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@GizzyCatBella: none of your sources show that indeed. The name of People's Republic of Poland doesn't change only because some anti-communists called it differently.
@GizzyCatBella: @John B123: I am very sure you 100% know what you are doing right now. You are trying to keep anticommunist cold war rhetoric alive on articles. That is called double standards and is not neutral. If you can't even call certain nations with their names but with accusative terms supported by several biased sources, then it seems like Wikipedia is no longer an independent source of information. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 22:20, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Comrade-yutyo Look, we go by what RS' say if you can find a source stating that Poland is a "Capitalist Conservative Regime," then go ahead and make the change by all means.- GizzyCatBella🍁 22:26, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.... 75 years on should we call it an Anatidae? --John B123 (talk) 22:30, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@John B123: A duck is an Anatidae, a "People's Republic of Poland" is a Socialist Republic.--Comrade-yutyo (talk) 22:39, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@GizzyCatBella: sorry but since when Wikipedia doesn't call certain nations by their name? What RT you are talking about? There are all sorts of thesis made by people of different political views. For example Alexander Dugin directly calls Ukrainians are retards, so can I add that as well? Can you explain this bigotry to me?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Comrade-yutyo (talk • contribs) 07:33, August 18, 2020 (UTC)
@Comrade-yutyo: Accusing people of bigotry and double standards is not acceptable in talk page discussions. --John B123 (talk) 22:53, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I concur, WP:AFG and WP:CIV need to be enforced here. Anyway, I suggest using the uncontroversial full \name of the country, or a communist state, which is more neutral than a communist regime (which just redirects there anyway). Note that Socialist republic redirects to Socialist state, which states " The term communist state is often used interchangeably in the West specifically when referring to one-party socialist states governed by Marxist–Leninist communist parties, despite these countries being officially socialist states in the process of building socialism. These countries never describe themselves as communist nor as having implemented a communist society". As such, this is actually a difficult issue, as there are clearly many reliable sources that use the communist state term, whereas socialist state may be preferrable. Anyway, I suggest that editors interested in this topic don't discuss it here but instead start an RfC on the use of those terms on one of the linked pages and announce it on another. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:07, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/catholic-poland-tomorrow-ireland-secularization-clergy/
  2. ^ https://www.slideshare.net/nikitakozlov/capitalism-in-poland
  3. ^ https://www.thetrumpet.com/22643-is-poland-a-catholic-theocracy
  4. ^ https://www.governmenteuropa.eu/poland-corruption-report/92073/
@Piotrus: It isn't actually difficult if we just call nations with their original names. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 21:23, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The edit war that occurs now is very counter-productive. It isn't a hard thing to understand that an official name of the nation is the name of it. @GizzyCatBella: @John B123: @Piotrus: I urge you to arrive to that very simple consensus to keep neutrality in this independent source of information.--Comrade-yutyo (talk) 20:44, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Then stop edit warring and falsely claim consensus for your changes please.- GizzyCatBella🍁 20:46, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@GizzyCatBella: there is nothing hard to call a nation by its name. Its People’s Republic of Poland. There is no page that is called post-war communist state of poland as you can see nor a time when the nation was called a such. You aren't in good faith, sorry. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 21:08, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

:::Our comrade is right. This has a name, use it.Semper honestus (talk) 07:20, 25 August 2020 (UTC) (sock) - GizzyCatBella🍁 08:00, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BIAS

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You guys have done it again. Please stop that. Intending PPR as a Soviet puppet is your personal opinion, not a fact. Stop already. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 22:43, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please comply with WP:BRD and not just change back to how you think the article should read. --John B123 (talk) 22:55, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Most users will have no idea of what era the Third Polish Republic refers to, but will understand "The collapse of the Soviet regime and the fall of the iron curtain" --John B123 (talk) 23:00, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@John B123: Do we need to write articles according to "common sense" or facts? People's Republic of Poland collapsed much before USSR did and both nations had pretty different type of constitutions when they ended. There is no logicaş connection whatsoever to imply that People's Republic of Poland is collapsed because USSR did, as its totally anachronic due to USSR collapsing 2 years after it and totally different events occured in both states. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 11:41, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How would you suggest it is worded so those who have less knowledge of Polish history will understand the era the section refers too? --John B123 (talk) 12:04, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@John B123: Not knowing something is better than knowing it wrong. We add interlink to pages in Wikipedia so people can go deeper about info that they don't know. At the current situation, its wrong information. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 08:21, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at History of Poland (1945–1989) and History of Poland (1989–present) both talk of the soviet influence, communism and "the advent of perestroika in the Soviet Union under Mikhail Gorbachev, the opportunity arose to change the system of government". These seem to back up the wording here and also the text you objected to in regard to the post-war period. --John B123 (talk) 08:42, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think those pages are heavily biased and need change. As I have said, Poland-related pages happen to be more like that compared to other countries' history and politics sections. I am saying that to improve Wikipedia's neutrality. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 15:33, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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