Talk:Queer Bar (Seattle)

Category:Queer culture

@Reywas92: Curious why you've removed Category:Queer culture. Seems applicable to me. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:02, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Because it's already in Category:LGBT drinking establishments in Washington (state). You're not putting all of the hundreds of items in Category:LGBT drinking establishments in this category are you? That's a sub-subcategory of Category:LGBT culture. Just because this has "queer" in its name doesn't mean it should be the only gay bar in that category. Reywas92^Talk 04:08, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

@Reywas92: Category:Queer culture seems applicable because the bar specifically caters to the queer community, per source ("I always wanted to open a queer space..."; "That said, he's also happy to be keeping a foothold for queer culture on 11th"). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:14, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Queer Bar is probably the one I went to the most frequently in Seattle, and it's hard to discern a difference between it and most other gay bars ("the 11th Ave gay bar" "Capitol Hill Gay Bar" "opening a very, very gay bar"). It does also serve food, and it welcomes everyone of course, but this is just playing games about terminology. You could describe most any gay bar/LGBT drinking establishment as part of queer culture, but this doesn't fit in this category when the other categories are sufficient. Reywas92^Talk 04:26, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

@Reywas92: I've been to Queer Bar and understand what you mean. However, Category:Queer culture is a subcategory of "LGBT culture" separate from Category:LGBT culture by location, which is how the "LGBT drinking establishments" and "LGBT nightclubs" categories come into play. I'm not understanding why Category:Queer culture shouldn't be included as a separate subcategory of LGBT culture when it clearly applies. I don't mean to make this a big deal, I'm just not following your argument based on the current category structure. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:19, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Can we get a third opinion here? In my opinion, Category:Queer culture clearly applies if none of the LGBT-related categories are a subcategory of Category:Queer. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 12:40, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

We have lesbian bars categorized both as Category:LGBT drinking establishments and as Category:Lesbian culture, which are also both branches of Category:LGBT culture, so I can see the argument for including both proposed categories in this article. The difficulty with Category:Queer culture is that queer is often used more synonymously with LGBT than as a clearly defined subset or alternative, so there will be a lot more overlap. Should the category apply to anything that uses queer as a label, or only to things that carve out a more distinct queer identity in opposition to an LGBT identity? But those are fundamental questions about the scope of the category that would need to be addressed on the category's talk page. As it stands, based on the source provided, I think we should include both categories.--Trystan (talk) 13:53, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Since no one else has weighed in, I've added back Category:Queer culture. Additional discussion welcome. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:40, 19 July 2022 (UTC)