Talk:Regulate (song)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Media Mention Cut

Since the section that was written up in Phoenix New Times has been edited out, it seems inappropriate to say that the article has been mentioned by a media organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.208.59 (talk) 14:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Got rid of IT humour

I doubt it will stick, but I got rid of the "dude humor", mostly just to see how long it will last. I won't revert it back if someone re-edits it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dondoolee (talk • contribs) 23:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

It didn't last. It needs to be removed again and maybe locked. Just coz itz about rap, yo, don't mean it don't hafta be encyclopedic. Dawg. PurpleChez (talk) 01:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Seems to me you gutted the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.74.103 (talk) 14:25, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

citation needed for the above POV claim —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.153.237 (talk) 19:39, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

How to cite?

Serious question here. The page says "The song also features... dialogue spoken from the 1988 film Young Guns.[citation needed]" How would you cite that? Does a web site or book need to say the same thing so it can be referenced here? If you listen to the song's intro and watch the part of Young Guns where Billy the Kid (Emilio Estevez) meets the rest of the crew, that's what you hear. BrianAshe (talk) 01:58, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Agree that the cite needed tag is pointless there; removing. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 16:55, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Label?

I'm somewhat confused in this article it says that Regulate... G Funk Era was on Death Row but on the Wikipedia entry for Warren G it says that "Death Row Records did not sign Warren G" even though "Warren G was a regular contributor to many Death Row albums." Someone please explain this for me. Lukereiser 05:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's clear this up. Regulate... G Funk Era wasn't on Death Row it was on Def Jam / Violator. The song "Regulate" was on the album but was also on the soundtrack for Above the Rim earlier (as I fixed its link in the infobox today). And that soundtrack was produced by Death Row, but Warren G appeared only on this one track (you know soundtrack=compilation) and his label status is indicated on the cover : "Warren G appears courtesy of Violator...". But still the OST album is on Death Row. Remember that notoriuous moment at the 1995 Source Awards, when Suge Knight went on stage to accept the award for the Soundtrack of the Year and insulted the Bad Boy management? Hihi, that was fun indeed... Lajbi ^{Holla @ me} 14:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright lets see if I understand this hah, Warren G was never on Death Row but Regulate was featured on a complilation that Death Row put out? If thats true why does it say under the Warren G wiki entry under labels "Death Row 1994–1996"? If that true than when it says ""Death Row Records did not sign Warren G" it is incorrect? Lukereiser 01:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes it must be an obvious mistake. He got signed to Def Jam after the success of "Regulate". I was looking up if the 213 act was signed to Death Row, but nope. Lajbi ^{Holla @ me} 01:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to take the liberty of erasing "Death Row 1994–1996" from the Warren G article to preserve continuity. Thanks for clearing this up. Lukereiser 01:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Synopsis

Whoever wrote the plot of the song, well done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.251.129.58 (talk) 02:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Very funny synopsis, it will get deleted so here is a permalink : [1] . LiamUK (talk) 12:14, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Please don't let anyone remove it. It's amazing! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.92.214.152 (talk) 15:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

This is most excellent. Let it stand as is.Leveldeaded (talk) 18:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I see no reason why the synopsis should change or be deleted given that it is a clear and faithful summary of the lyrical content of the song. The song is ridiculous, so any description of it will either be condescending or itself ridiculous. --Notquitethere (talk) 22:47, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

It's excessively and unnecessarily descriptive, and strays a long way into the unencyclopedic. It's funny, yes, but that's not what Wikipedia is for. Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 23:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Proper! This is Wikipedia, not the Onion. Actually, I don't think the Onion would publish this garbage. If you want funny rap crap, start a blog...don't pollute Wikipedia with it. PurpleChez (talk) 01:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

So the complaint about the article is that it was too thorough? That's what made the description "garbage?" That is absurd, PurpleChez and Catfish. The article seems funny because we aren't used to seeing erudite analyses of rap lyrics, but that doesn't make it illegitimate. The article was very accurate and informative about the narrative in the song, to the extent that even someone with no knowledge of urban slang could read the article and understand it. I agree that being funny isn't enough to qualify as encyclopedic, but surely being funny isn't enough to qualify as unencyclopedic either. In your crumudgenous crusade against anything that might bring a smile to someone's face you have weakened the article by removing valuable and accurate information about the topic. It's an article about a song. What could be more "encyclopedic" than a faithful, line-by-line description of story it tells? If it is too verbose and needs editing, then edit it. But completely removing the synopsis? Ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.74.103 (talk) 14:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

the last line of the first paragraph says, "from the 1998 film Young Guns." but it should read "from the 1988 film Young Guns." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.187.221.9 (talk) 19:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Is it still possible to reinstate the synopsis of discussion? Warthog581 (talk) 23:24, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

The answer is "Yes" - but with caveats. You're welcome to discuss the synopsis here, but only if you bring a new argument or unused reason for insertion. There's no point repeating the same arguments and comments that pepper the talk page. If you bring a successful argument to the table then the synopsis may be re-inserted - but not before. Ergo it is possible - but frankly unlikely. Chaheel Riens (talk) 06:47, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Third verse

Has anyone noticed when this gets radio play now, they fade out before the third verse? My only guess is one of the last lines by Nate Dogg 'if you smoke like I smoke then you're high like every day', obviously referring to marijuana, and 'your ass is a buster'. The drug reference can be easily bleeped out, and even 'ass' seems to slip by, or that could be bleeped or replaced easily. Was this song always censored? or is this a new development? Cander0000 (talk) 09:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

It likely depends on your radio station. Some stations I've listened to do the absolute minimum, by dropping the vocal track during the vowel sound in "fuck" and "shit" (and a few of George Carlin's forbidden words), doing it so quickly that you might not even notice the drop. Others replace every vaguely child inappropriate word with stupid sound effects that completely obscure it so you have no idea what was supposed to be there. One of the quasi-oldies (really light rock from 70s-90s) stations I've occasionally listened to insisted on playing Everlast's "What it's Like" but bleeping every other word (e.g. "killer", "whore", "drugs", "gun", ".45", "dead", etc.) such that you have no frickin' clue what it may or may not be like if you don't already know the song. Your station may have become more censorious lately, but I don't think there have been any regulatory changes to trigger it. —ShadowRanger ^(talk|stalk) 15:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, I've heard that version of What It's Like and thought it was one of the silliest things. It's doesn't seemed to be explained by FCC regulations, real or feared, but a choice of the station? artist?... I see that What It's Like has a statement about the radio edits, I'll go ahead and add one here, too - hope I can find a source explaining it further.Cander0000 (talk) 19:21, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

In the United States, FCC actions are initiated by viewer/listener complaints, so songs/television shows are usually censored to the tastes of the audience. While one station in a large city can get away with using more objectionable or profane words, another station, playing the same song, in a smaller market, would have to have a more censored version in order to avoid an FCC complaint as their audience may be less tolerant. --Kagurazaka1977 (talk) 13:58, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

young guns correction

young guns came out in 1988 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.241.31.130 (talk) 19:54, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Synopsis

The follow tag exists for just this situation:

Time to bring back the synopsis and put that across the top. Everybody wins.

This is one of the coolest/funniest things I've ever seen on Wikipedia. It makes the whole project worth it. Thank you. Gnat (talk) 03:20, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree. I laughed and cried. Then I re-listened and re-read and I have to admit: what's written is very accurate. I think the current prose does an especially good job explaining what's going on with the weapons, as well as the transition into the more expository third verse. Kudos, very well done. J Crow (talk) 06:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

This outrageous synopsis is exactly the kind of material we need more of for outreach. It does no harm, it's factual, it will appeal to the article's target audience, and the many oblique hyperlinks provide an entry point for people who may be unfamiliar with Wikipedia. On these grounds, I would oppose efforts to make it more sensible, should they arise. --pmj (talk) 21:51, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

So we should throw encyclopedic standards out the window in the name of "outreach"? Pathetic. Why not just go through the article and replace every instance of "the" with "tha" or "da," and switch over to all plural z's. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan site or a parody site.PurpleChez (talk) 14:05, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I changed the link from the phrase "East Side" from the wiki article on "East Los Angeles Region" to the correct "East Long Beach" Don't get it twisted busters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.246.37.149 (talk) 04:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Containing no sources, the content fails WP:V / WP:OR and has been removed. It will be the responsibility of anyone who wishes to return such content to provide sufficient reliable sources that support the claims and analysis. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 18:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

How does this synopsis differ from other original content (e.g. the plot section of movie pages)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.141.191 (talk) 21:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. If this synopsis of a song doesn't meet wikipedia standards, then every movie plot section must be removed. So to clarify, wikipedia can't summerize a movie plot unless the movie has been written about in other reliable sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.220.213.14 (talk) 14:12, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I personally found the Synopsis useful - yes it was very very detailed which made it kind of funny but it also made me understand what was going on which I had previously not (having missed the line about the gun being pulled on Warren). How about instead of deleting the whole Synopsis over and over someone should state that a short synopsis would actually be acceptable so that this article can be genuinely useful. This way it does not describe the song itself at all, only the meta information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.44.48 (talk) 01:16, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Please read WP:USEFUL. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 01:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that there are no third-party sources for such a synopsis, even if we thought one was needed (they are not customary for songs). Additionally, most of the folks who keep coming to this talk page don't want a synopsis, they want the funny one that they read about on the internet to be restored. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:21, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Here you go - one synopsis from a third party source that does not contain a circular reference to Wikipedia. Surely, that must satisfy any requirement for a third-party source to the "humourous" synopsis.--86.26.12.247 (talk) 21:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, if you bothered to read both the "humourous" version of the wiki article, and the synopsis you linked to, you'd see that they're nigh on identical - the mellifluent has been lifted almost word for word from wikipedia, and as such fails the external links policy, thus negating your claim. a_man_alone (talk) 08:15, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not someone who normally edits wikipedia, and am probably doing this discussion thing incorrectly. When Nate Dogg died, I came here specifically looking for a detailed summary of Regulate. Today on facebook someone posted a mirror of the excellent summary that had been posted here, but was removed for, according to this discussion, the flimsiest of reasons. This page is useless without the summary, and useful with it. The purpose of any encyclopedia derives entirely from its utility. Thus, you are impelled to restore the summary. QED. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.127.92 (talk) 21:53, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, this seems to have been removed because it is funny and certain individuals here seem to think that a humourous, yet completely accurate, synopsis has no place here. Surely there's a template somewhere that can be added to say that there still needs to be an official citation here (although we all know that it's accurate). Otherwise this great piece of satiric risks being lost due to philosophical, circular, argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.59.234.8 (talk) 02:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't know why we can't have it. It is accurate (you don't need "sources" other than the song itself, it is pretty clear), and it is funny. I've never seen a better proof than the comments from certain people about the synopsis ("WE MAY AS WELL THROW ALL THE STANDARDS OUT THE WINDOW THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS YOU GUYS!!!!", etc.) of Cato the Elder's maxim: "Those who are serious in ridiculous matters will be ridiculous in serious matters." Wikipedia is serious, and it is great, and yes there are standards. But you know what, it also just is a website and this is just some article about an old rap song on that website, okay? So you can't have a little fun? Baxter42 (talk) 19:07, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

If this synopsis can exist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-Haired_Hare then so can the synopsis for Regulate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.234.232.55 (talk) 05:13, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

You ought to read this. a_man_alone (talk) 07:22, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Archive 1

the 213 conjecture

The current synopsis proposes that the lyric of "if your ass is a buster, 213 will regulate" be interpreted as: Nate concludes his delineation of the night by issuing a threat to "busters," suggesting that he and Warren will further "regulate" any potential incidents in the future (presumably by engaging their antagonists with small arms fire). I believe Nate intends to make a much broader point about the culture of his 213 area code being unkind to "busters" generally rather than implying specific, direct retribution from Nate and Warren. Further, perhaps Nate intends that life in the 213 has the effect of making one less of a buster over time, much as a farm boy will become less of a "hayseed" via life in a big city. Certainly the concept of regulate also may be interpreted more broadly to encompass not only violence but also teaching, mentorship, or merely continued exposure to the "game". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.28.242 (talk) 17:40, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

interesting, I had always assumed that 213 unequivocably referred to 213, the performing group that included Nate Dogg and Warren G. (of course the group was named after the area code, but being read that way would mean Nate was threatening direct 'regulation') It is definitely one of many lines that is open to interpretation by the listener, reflecting his or her background and experience.Cander0000 (talk) 00:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Lyrics

Why does the synposis say the woman was "impressed by Nate's singing ability"? There's no mention of singing. She doesn't say "my car's broke down and you *sing* real nice" -- she says "my car's broke down and you *seem* real nice." I think this line in the synposis shouldn't mention anything about singing ability -- it should just say that the woman surmised that Nate was a friendly person. Naseem19 (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

It needs to be pared down a lot more than that. A synopsis is a brief overview of a storyline, not a complete paraphrase. Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 13:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The synopsis is pretty ridiculous, and should really be removed... but I'm not going to do that just now when so many people seem to be finding it entertaining. At the very least, it should be preserved somewhere - it's a shame we don't have WP:BJAODN any more. Robofish (talk) 15:43, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

It's preserved in the page history, not to mention on hundreds of discussion forums, blogs, networking sites, etc. It's probably time to end this. Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 15:59, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

For goodness' sake, what harm is it doing? It's entertaining, factually correct and makes the article worth reading. Haven't you got anthing better to do, Catfish Jim, than worry about one Wikipedia entry? Spotty Lizard 16:27, 3 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spotty Lizard (talk • contribs)

Perhaps you're right, but my gut instinct suggests not. Still, plenty of people seem to like it as it is... I've put in an RFC. Catfish Jim and the soapdish (talk) 19:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Seriously, just chill out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.41.248.125 (talk) 02:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe pared down, but it's not like it's entirely vandalism. It's quite informative actually. That said, it's obvious that it's mostly for humor, but if you remove some of the obviously ironic language that I don't see why it can't be amusing. It's amusing because the content of the song is clearly meant to be conveyed through slang and rapping, not because the whole section is a joke. Tegrenath (talk) 16:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't touch it. I suspect that much of the objection to it is coming from the notion that it is humorous. Certainly, it is -- but it's also very informative and interesting! I've heard the song a thousand times but never really focused on the story being told. It's a classic, prototypical gangsta rap tale, and having a well-written (if ironically so) document of the story is actually rather informative. Now, yes, I am trying to find a way to defend something that was probably written with the intention of being funny... but, really, in addition to being rather funny it's also one of the most interesting, informative sections of any individual popular song article that I've ever read! ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡbomb 19:27, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say anything about paring down -- I just suggested correcting for accuracy. Since no one seems to object, I'm going to make the correction. But I won't touch anything else because this page is just altogether hilarious. Please let it be. Naseem19 (talk) 01:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia has gone over to the 'tards. It was only a matter of time before hipsters, IT dudes, and frat boys were going to take over. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dondoolee (talk • contribs) 23:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Everybody above me who thinks the lyrics section should be pared down are obviously racist and don't want to let black men speak for themselves and tell their story. It's not YOURstory, it's HIStory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devon Vice (talk • contribs) 01:09, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I made several changes to the synopsis to pare it down, make it more accurate, and make it more of an actual synopsis, as opposed to just flowery aggrandizement (read: whitewashing) of the lyrics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.54.128.89 (talk) 18:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Disagree, recentism may make it hard to discern which songs are deserving or appropriate of detailed analysis or depth of coverage. Many songs, hip-hop, rap or otherwise, represent hallmarks of culture in the 20th and 21st century, much like now certian novels, plays, or stories are regarded as important to understanding past centuries. I'm not being grandiose..., perhaps this song is one of such, perhaps not, but it's a ripe candidate for being documented in depth because the narrative technique follows classic techniques and archetypes found in stories and tales as well as taking a position, through the viewpoints of its protagonists, on many factors of urbanization. If anything, this article should expand to balance the synopsis in depth of coverage in such areas a cultural impact, the influences that led to the song, and the working process of the songwriters. It will be challenging and will take time to find reliable sources for all that, but hey, new thought and coverage of Shakespeare emerges hundreds of years after his works.Cander0000 (talk) 00:42, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

But the section in question doesn't discuss those things. It doesn't discuss the narrative technique. It doesn't discuss the tradition it draws from. Etc. And if and when it does address those or other legitimate topics it must do so in a manner that is appropriate to an encyclopedia, not as some sort of parody joke that illustrates--but does not actually discuss--the concepts at hand. This is a joke, and Wikipedia is not a comedy site.PurpleChez (talk) 14:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm inclined to restore the synopsis section, as it was more detailed than the short paragraph with which it was replaced. That said, I support edits to clean up the section, especially where links pipe to loosely related articles. Gobonobo ^{T C} 00:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

No, it did that when "citation needed" was required for EVERY SINGLE THING. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.153.237 (talk) 22:10, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Self-Defense

It is NOT self-defense for Nate to save Warren. There should not be a reference to the right of self-defense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.54.128.89 (talk) 18:30, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Uh yeah, it actually IS self defense by proxy. You would think that people that type out things like this would know the law, but they never are. They just THINK they know it. Idiots.98.160.144.231 (talk) 03:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

The prevention of death or severe bodily harm to one's self or another person is by definition self-defense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gsm710 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Not a comedy site

Wikipedia is not a comedy site. If you think this "synopsis" is hilarious, than copy and paste it into your blog. But it is garbage as far as an encyclopedia is concerned and it doesn't belong here, no matter how funny you think it is. The fact that it's about a rap song doesn't mean that "anything goes" and that this is somehow appropriate. Nothing about Wikipedia is to be played for humor. The idea that said humor is somehow appropriate because it's "outreach" and will introduce a new demographic to wikipedia or because it's factual as well as funny...it's all BS. By this logic, the articles on Shakespeare's plays should be written in iambic pentameter, and the haiku articles should be 5-7-5...in order to "appeal to the target audience." An article about a rap song should be written to provide useful information to someone who knows nothing about the topic, not to make rap fans laugh. It's not even a synopsis (Merriam-Webster, "a condensed statement or outline"), as it is probably a good bit longer than the song itself. Cut and paste this mess into your blog and give yourselves mad props because you were too edgy for Wikipedia, but this has no place here. PurpleChez (talk) 10:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia does have the following tag. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

That tag is not for articles in the actual reference portion of Wikipedia, but rather for a handful of essays in the non-article portion of the project, which convey useful information about Wikipedia procedures, history, etc., in a humorous manner. It is not for articles themselves. --Orange Mike | Talk 04:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

- The synopsis was informative AND amusing, the two categories are not mutually exclusive. It displayed the best aspects of wikipedia user contribution and its a real shame it has been deleted. Wikipedia is created by humans not robots, but alas, some admins wish to remove any traces of the former with the furious vitriol only a true pedant could know. 81.101.20.45 (talk) 02:08, 3 September 2010 (UTC) James C.

- I would contest that the "synopsis" (I admit it was mis-represented) was in fact informative. Though there should be more effort put in to provide citations and background information that is assumed to be common knowledge, I do not believe it completely invalidates the content. I contest that this content was well in line with the WikiProject Songs. It may be hard for robots such as PurpleChez to understand, but songs are often not concrete in meaning. There are various ways for an audience to interpret a song and information such as that provided in the "synopsis" were helpful to understanding references made in the lyrics of the song. If Wikipedia is going to improve their coverage of the art that is music, you must allow for interpretations like these (and encourage them). It is important to initiate that dialog to create a balanced and accurate reference to this song. A song article with a generally accepted meaning is far more useful than a simple article with basic release information and a link to the artist.64.91.63.197 (talk) 17:27, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

You may "contest" pretty much all you want on the talk page. But until you provide reliable third party sources to support claims, the content will unceremoniously removed from the article. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 18:09, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

That is exactly why I DID NOT change the content. I was merely using the DISCUSSION section as a place to DISCUSS why I felt the content should be allowed. Thanks for trying to talk down to me though.64.91.63.197 (talk) 21:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

- "But until you provide reliable third party sources to support claims...." ' In the claims made by the synopsis, the source IS the song! I don't know what you expect users to contribute; every claim made in the synopsis derives from the song's lyrics.

"Nothing about Wikipedia is to be played for humor." - What a truly misinformed statement. Harold Bloom, Empson, Keats.. critics much greater than yourself and I routinely use humour as a means of elucidating meaning from primary sources. And this is the point a lot of people seem to be missing - 'Regulate' is a song, a work of ART which contains elements of humour and self-referential parody within its content. For an encyclopedia not to recognise this in its entry does the song disservice and stunts the reader. Form with regards to art does not have to be limited to straight exposition.

81.101.20.45 (talk) 23:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC) James C\

What bull. Keats didn't write encyclopedia articles...at least not that I know. Humor can indeed be used to make very serious points. Swift was a master of that. But it's still not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Also, the fact that Regulate is a work of "art" that incorporates humor does not mean that an encyclopedia article about it should be funny. Articles about other comic works of art are not necessarily in themselves funny. 18:42, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

- Also, this is a plot heavy song. So congratulations on deleting an informative synopsis that showed the importance of narrative within the rap genre. Why not delete the synopsis to 'Inception' as well, that also isn't sourced and you seem to be on a mission. 81.101.20.45 (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC) James C

Where's the funny part of the synopsis? As far as I can see it's an exemplary piece of formal writing that serves as a completely accurate synopsis. The fact that people find it funny is irrelevant. There's a few here that need to pull their heads out of their own arses.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.59.234.8 (talk • contribs)

Whoever made this wikipedia page for this song...

You are a God among men. May the WikiGods bless you. -E 06:26, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

- Thank you cander0000. Reason has prevailed and a great wikipedia article has been restored!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 81.101.20.45 (talk) 02:27, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Fortunately, the vandalism has been reverted once again. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Its unfortunate that you find an informative article on a song subject to be vandalism when its absolutely and clearly not vandalism. It seems as if the moderator (?) watching this page seems to be more angered about the fact that someone got away with writing a witty and informative synopsis of a song (that can be viewed as "funny" due to its topic) that falls withing the guidelines of wiki's how to edit a page, and neutrality rules. Whether the topic/song/subject is "serious" enough to warrant a thorough description/synopsis is subjective. The work done on this page, however; is totally objective.

I can think of several songs on wiki (last.fm) with synopses like this, and they aren't being deleted. I'm not here to do a lot of arguing or thinly veiled insults about what what wiki is and isn't, and whos/whats stupid and whos not, womp womp womp. But at the end of the day, this is/was a well written, informative synopsis of a song that at least deserves a chance to stand before you start deleting it.

as a general newbie to wikipedia, and someone who is eager to learn about what IS and is NOT allowed, it will be interesting to watch this unfold.

-E 10:08, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

And yet Cander has seen it worthwhile to restore it again. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 20:27, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

stop complaining about Cander restoring it. give us a real, valid reason why it shouldnt exist. how about that.

-E 08:43, 20 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Empress Ericka (talk • contribs)

How about the fact that it's absolute nonsense? Everard Proudfoot (talk) 22:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

point out whats "nonsense." and keep in mind, nonsense is subjective. if youre talking about the synopsis of the song, its entirely factual and descriptive of what happens in both the video AND song. there are TONS of songs on wiki with the EXACT kind of synopsis on them right now. so why arent you angry about those.

when you point out something actually being WRONG with this article, neutral POV, the information provided, something being incorrect or something that actually breaks the guidelines that im actually reading through, let me know. 71.84.49.171 (talk) 08:44, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

"that it's absolute nonsense" != "fact". Sorry, had to call that one out. Cander0000 (talk) 08:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

An example as to why everyone thinks hardcore Wikipedia editors are a joke

Thanks for removing any usefulness that can be derived from this site. I'd much rather know the UK chart position than what the song actually entailed. I hope you losers with no life DIAF. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.203.219 (talk) 17:22, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

So I'd say there's a place for both, right? Wikipedia is not a mass collection of data points, so there would probably be better sources if one was specifically researching UK chart positions. But discussing the topic of this article, chart positions add context, the synopsis and critical analysis add context. This article is what some articles on hip hop songs should become, albeit recognizing that many songs' (in many genres) lyrics don't obviously lend themselves to the sheer volume and depth of analysis here. Cander0000 (talk) 20:09, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Right. This is trash that should not be in any article. Cander, stop, please. Everard Proudfoot (talk) 20:27, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not entirely certain why you insist on treating this page as your private little domain to show everyone how intelligent or how serious you are. But this was an informative article that used to medium of humor to convey how silly Rap can be at times, while simultaniously giving a surprisingly good overview of what the plot is actually about. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve by being extremely childish and removing something that in essence is what Wikipedia is all about. Which (and I reitterate as you seem to have forgotten somewhere along the long road down to being a overused stereotype of an administrator) is to share correct information in an open and accepting environment. Everything said in this article (be it humorous or not) was factual and correct. Having racked my brain about this I can't come up with a reason for you to delete this article other than you having no sense of humor at all. Or feeling threatend by the user who puts this on here for being funny, clever and not a complete douche.

in conclusion....please restore the article and unclench your sphinxter...it's okay to laugh at something informative once in a while. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 13.21.125.8 (talk) 15:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

This is a reference work, not The Onion. If you want to be hilarious, write for a humor publication; don't clutter up an encyclopedia with your "humor". --Orange Mike | Talk 15:37, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Again, "Humor" is subjective. This is becoming lame and bias. Stop taking lame potshots at people and provide a real reason to take down the article, because everything youve listed thus far is bullshit.

Please do better,

-E 16:46, 23 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Empress Ericka (talk • contribs)

Wow, I can't believe some of the dweebs who edit this site. Do you really have nothing better to do than go around saying, "DERP! Original research, need citations. DERP! This isn't The Onion. DERP DERP! I must protect the integrity of the article describing the song "Regulate" because I have nothing else to do. DERP!" I echo the first poster's message of "DIAF" and assume you're probably just jealous that Warren G and Nate Dogg actually get laid in the song, something that is so far out of the realm of possibility for people like you that it's not even funny. Don't you guys have a LARPing tournament to attend? BTW Cander0000 is the man for adding a humorous while also FACTUALLY ACCURATE AND USEFUL addition to this site. I'm going to re-add it. Hopefully none of you site vandals will delete it this time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.184.202.86 (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

i think another component of the issue that's being danced around is that some find it 'humorous' is being used as benchmark for inclusion/exclusion. I may have brought up earlier the song's reflection of social issues, but when it comes down to it, Regulate doesn't address deep and somber social issues, or at least, doesn't address them in a deep and somber way. The tone is braggadocio and probably glorifying of crime rather than discussing the widespread impact and unfortunate consequences. One might find it humorous that a group of women have an auto accident because they are paying attention to the protagonist (Nate, in the verse in which the incident is found) rather than the road. It's an exaggeration, probably meant to bolster his reputation at the expense of the women. Even an objective description in the synopsis fails to squish all humor out of the situation, and it's arguably one of the most integral parts of making this a story rather than random rhymes, bookending the struggle and climax of the robbery incident (as the women are found in the position after the incident) An expectation that the synopsis and analysis be dry, somber, and free of any risk of being found humorous is a unsupported standard itself. Songs that 'do' address social/human issues in a very thoughtful, somber way, you should expect an analysis to be equally somber and thoughtful. Cander0000 (talk) 06:26, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Other articles' synopsises?

When I restored the synopsis previously, it was on the grounds that it is actually a detailed synopsis similar to those found on a lot of movie, book, and song wikipedia articles. I don't think this one has to be found humorous, even if that was the intent. Maybe it is humorous just because it's a rap song, but then that may just be a prejudice some people have towards a detailed account of a rap song. I understand its removal as far as the original research claim, but then I'd expect those removing the synopsis to then be busy removing all the existing synoposises on every movie, book, etc. article with no references, of which there are many and which have been there long before this one appeared. Crateescape101 (talk) 12:27, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS Editors can't be everywhere at once, if they were doing this to another article, you'd simply have another editor there saying "well why aren't you tackling some other article first?" --Cameron Scott (talk) 12:43, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

True, I understand that. It does seem like this article was picked on unfairly because it had gotten attention for being humorous (which is pretty subjective - I didn't find it funny, but I thought the information was accurate and followed the plot of the song to the letter). Is it common practice to remove synopsises of movies, books, etc. with no references? Can the actual song not be the reference? Otherwise the only way you could legitimately have a synopsis of, say, a movie would be to reference secondary sources that provide synopsises themselves. Crateescape101 (talk) 12:52, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

No. It's clearly intended as humor, and it violates the no original research policy, as it's an interpretation, not a simple summary as some articles have. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 13:43, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

If you think "it's an interpretation, not a simple summary" (though obviously that is not the consensus) you are welcome to do your best to become an expert in the song and rephrase the summary, and make other constructive changes. Simply deleting entire sections is vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.115.208.59 (talk) 15:06, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

No, you're wrong 74.115.208.59! I identified articles for the movies "Pulp Fiction", "Dial M for Murder", and "Easy Rider" as having TOTALLY ORIGINAL RESEARCH. I have deleted the plot sections for those movies, and expected that the editors active in this discussion will ensure they stay deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.162.98.124 (talk) 15:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

No, its not clearly intended as humor. Again, humor is subjective to its reader. It can be SEEN as humorous because of its frank discussion on the songs topics, but for someone who has never heard the song/seen the video, its a perfect layout of what happens. Its clear that this is a normal synopsis for any kind of song on wikipedia, and its obviously a decision based on a prejudice towards Hip Hop that affects the editing here, not wiki rules or common sense.

How does this violate your no original research policy when the video itself (if you would watch it first before editing) goes through EVERYTHING that was listed in the synopsis, but in visual format. It researches itself, lol. This is how we can tell your being bias. Its clear you've never even SEEN the video, let alone heard the song.

As stated before, synopsis are written all the time without your no original research being violated. Now all of a sudden you have a problem.

The way the editors are acting right now is really disappointing, and atypical to how people react to Hip Hop muisc in general. You keep providing inaccurate and frankly, lame reasons to take down something that does absolutely no harm to wikipedia, clearly based on a bias and seemingly blatant disregard of/towards hip hop music. Seriously. Re-evaulate your position and try again, or come up with a better reason to take the article down, because you're really making yourself look bad right now.

Oh, and as for you deflecting what Im saying about other articles having the same synopsis and you coming up with whatever excuses for not removing those... I didnt want your excuses. What I want is for you to explain WHY its okay to have THIS EXACT TYPE of synopsis written for country songs, pop songs (that arent even worthy of synopsis), and even jazz/blues songs, but when it comes to hip hop... all of a sudden, something is "Humorous?" Please excuse my french, but FOHWTBS.

I didnt point out editors out for not pulling those articles as some kinda shot to your editing skills. No. I pointed it out to show how bias and prejudice youre being towards this one article.

Do Better, Please.

-E 16:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Empress Ericka (talk • contribs)

When the description starts "On a cool" - tell me just how you can "see" cool temperature just by looking at the video? The WP:OR starts there and continues through the repeatedly inappropriately returned description. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 16:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Ummm, on a "cool clear night" is a reference to temperature usually, nights in Los Angeles/Long Beach are usually cool in clear, due to us sitting near the beach (I live here). And in the video, I think they actually show you a thermostat with the temperature. The video is very, VERY visually descriptive about what happens in the song, just like the synopsis. So whats your point. You still have a whole 3 minutes and an entire synopsis of a song you need to explain why you feel violates your policy. Please WATCH THE VIDEO FIRST, then tell me if that thing doesnt research itself for you. lol. -E 22:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

when you start providing third party reliable sources for analysis of the video, appropriate content can be returned. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 22:44, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Since when did you need "reliable third party sources" for a synopsis of ANYTHING. We have to go get Roger Ebert for clearance on any movie synopsis ever written on wiki? Also; if thats how you want to play it, I could count myself, the people who have seen the video and the people watching you overedit this page can be counted as reliable third party sources. What do you want, for Theoretical Jesus to come down and write this shit himself for verification? PLEASE clarify exactly what kind of "Third Party Resource" you want, and at this point, I'm happy to go get the shit for you.

With Love; forgive my swearing, -E 23:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, nobody has provided any examples of unchallenged appearances of this kind of pompous pseudo-serious synopses in any other article. Blind assertions of this sort are not taken very seriously. (Nor are assertions that we are dissing HipHop or this song, when we have incredibly extensive coverage of even the most obscure artists if they have provided any evidence of notability beyond a MySpace/Facebook page.) --Orange Mike | Talk 16:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)--Orange Mike | Talk 16:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

You need to 1. Calm Down. Like I said in a previous statement, thinly veiled anger and potshots are not the business; you will be called out on it. Edit with your brain and not your emotions. 2. Stop with that pseudo-serious crap. Again. Theres pseudo-serious crap all over wikipedia that really doesnt need all that description, or even an article for that matter, and yet it does. Now if you want to play games and have me start listing up articles, id be HAPPY to do that, but I dont want you running to other pages in all your judge-tacular anger and start deleting well written synopsis of OTHER songs. Plus I got a set number of artists I need to get to editing myself (work). But if thats the game you wanna play, so be it. 3. For Christ sake, IF YOUD WATCH THE VIDEO, YOUD SEE THAT NOTHING THAT WAS TYPED IS A BLIND ASSERTION. If you actually READ THE LYRICS, youd also know that nothing is a blind assertion of ANYTHING... the video PAINSTAKINGLY goes into HEAVIER detail about whats happening than the SONG and that synopsis does. So again... whats your point. It researches itself and goes into the same detail you're complain about IN THE ACTUAL VIDEO. But instead of using slang and hip hop talk, the person who wrote this article (who im sure youve unfairly banned or suspended at this point) chose to do the same description in proper english and in an bootleg MLA format. 4. At this point, I'm not going to even bother asking you if you and the other editor have even SEEN the video; its powerfully obvious you havent.

5. You are being bias, whether you know it or not. The funny thing about being bias on a topic is that you usually dont know youre BEING bias until someone points it out, and you CHOOSE to listen. Im not impressed with your extensive collection of obscure artists and their music collections... thats what wikipedia is for. To gather knowledge, right? And if youre so into collecting info on obscure music artists and their works, I'm trying to see the problem with someone contributing the same type of info here... but its a problem because it addresses a topic or music you clearly know nothing about.

I'm sorry. And no offense to all involved, as wikipedia is usually a staple of information that I love and all the editors I have interacted with been great to me (teaching me everything I need to know as I go), but right now, I'm calling total editor bullshit on this page; and if there is some kinda hierarchy as to who chooses what stays, we need to go to that next step at this point. Youre not even giving it a chance. And you keep throwing invalid wikirules to keep pulling it down. Its not working. Its mentioned in a media article and you guys are STILL MAD. Please think with an open mind, remember that this topic and how you feel about its synopsis is SUBJECTIVE, and as always....

Continue to Do Better,

-E 22:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

p.s. I could totally understand and applaud what you were saying if this was like... some recent lil wayne single or Trio's "da da da..." but this, in all forthrightness and honestly, is a classic hip hop song and staple in west coast hip hop music... and it is MORE than deserving of such a description, which is why it was done. If youd watch/listen to it and give a chance.-E 23:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Reading through this page I see several very well written and eloquent reasons for restoring this article. And although this may just be my personal opinion, I have yet to see any good reasons against restoring this article asides from references to rules that are very open to interpretation. But at the end of the day this article embodies why wikipedia is doomed to eventually fail in it's current format. This is a direct qoutation from the wikipedia article on wikipedia:

Becoming a Wikipedia insider involves non-trivial costs; the contributor is expected to build a user page, learn Wikipedia-specific technological codes, submit to an arcane dispute resolution process, and learn a "baffling culture rich with in-jokes and insider references." Non-logged-in users are in some sense second-class citizens on Wikipedia,[127] as "participants are accredited by members of the wiki community, who have a vested interest in preserving the quality of the work product, on the basis of their ongoing participation

This article is a prime example of it. Regardless of how many arguements we may come up with for restoring this article it will never be restored as a few editors have convinced themselves they are right in deleting this article's synopsis and it has gone beyond a discussion about this article into a thinly veiled unspoken discussion around the interpretation of wiki rules and the power of editors. The phrase second class citizens comes to mind as qouted above. I've very dissapointed in wikipedia and it's editors for A) Removing this article's synopsis and B) Letting their own personal feelings and desire to exercise their power and their unwillingness to admit wrong doing overshadow the main goal of wikipedia to share knowledge based on user submitted content. That being said I also realise it's useless to argue with these people as it will not matter how many examples or similar articles you qoute. It's gone from a discussion about subject matter into something personal. So we might as well give up and not bother. Which is sad. Very very sad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 13.17.125.8 (talk) 11:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Regardless of how many arguements we may come up with for restoring this article until you come up with actual arguments that meet the community consensus for article content, (reliable third party sources that support analysis and commentary) the inappropriate content will continue to be removed. Stop banging your head and start finding legitimate sources. Active Banana ( ^bananaphone 14:06, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Seconded. No amount of wikilawyering and pretending to not be in on the joke is going to change the fact that this is blatant original research and clearly intended as a joke. I've already blocked one user for re-adding it after being given a final warning and will continue to do so. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:08, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• gasp* 2 editors who agree with each other. I'm extremely surprised...shocked....yes in fact I'm stunned. Tell me this. Who can you go to to take a complaint to the next level? As in who's the guy who you cultists report to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.30.83 (talk) 18:24, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

- WOULD AN EDITOR PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You say "But until you provide reliable third party sources to support claims, the content will unceremoniously removed from the article". Now explain why you haven't deleted the synopsis to 'Inception'. That also has no citations. Apply your standards consistently across articles, no wonder people here are regarding your deletions as snobbish, discriminatory and unwarranted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.20.45 (talk) 01:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Are you talking about Inception (film)? That's been tagged for improvement already. Meanwhile, you've already been directed to the article acknowledging that WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS, but that the existence of crap is no excuse for adding more crap. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

- Thanks for updating 'Inception' (however, I note that modification was only made after my commentary!) But surely the existence of 'crap' requires you, as a responsible editor, to delete it, as you did with this article?

I notice you kept Inception's synopsis and added your disclaimer yet removed this synopsis completely. Is it because you know your edits would look foolish if applied to the 'Inception' article? You are applying double standards. If you are going to remove one synopsis completely, do so with the other. Or are you scared of causing controversy with a far more popular article? 81.101.20.45 (talk) 02:38, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Theres over 3 million articles and we are aware that there are a lot of them that are crap. But just cause no one has yet found and taken it upon themselves to clean up some other piece of crap does not justify returning crap to another article where it has been identified and cleaned up. Please be WP:BOLD and start helping clean up any other crap articles that you find. Active Banana (^bananaphone 20:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

A plot synopsis for a film is standard content; not so for a song. If somebody was to write an actual synopsis of the song, sourced to some reliable source(s), it would not be automatically deleted. Instead, people keep trying to put in the joke "synopsis" with the original research and the mock-scholarly tone. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:45, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Let's try again. I disagree with what you're saying. Regardless of the jokey tone and the amusement it provides I still believe this article has informative value and should be restored. You clearly do not want to. Fine that's your opinion. I disagree with this. Who can I take this to so we can get a final yes/no on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.30.83 (talk) 11:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

I suggest you try Uncyclopedia, where humorous content is encouraged. This is not the wiki for it. Period. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

You're not answering my question. If I disagree with you on this page who can I turn to? There's someone or some adress I can complain to. So let's try again. Who is the person I can escalate your behavior and this situation to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.30.83 (talk) 08:27, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

You could try a RfC as a starting point? There's not really anyone to 'escalate' to, per se. Ultimately, any decision on the appropriateness of content will come down to what the community consensus is. Currently, long-standing consensus is that Wikipedia articles are not the place for jokes, that overly long and detailed plot summaries are not beneficial and that all content requires proper sources. --Korruski (talk) 11:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC)