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Results in each federal electoral division[edit]

The article currently says:

Articles for each state and territory have more detailed results in their respective jurisdictions, including results in each federal electoral division.

I don't think we're going to need a separated article for each state. In particular, I don't think we need the results per division. Per my previous comment elsewhere, per-division results are meaningful for elections, where they directly affect the parliamentary representative for that division, but for a referendum results are aggregated with other divisions and are only effective at the state (for double majority) or national level. The referendum results may be published per division, and might be statistically interesting, but have no per-division effect. Mitch Ames (talk) 06:34, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Section titles[edit]

Re this edit by GMH Melbourne ...

The terminology "A majority of people" and "A majority of states" mirrors the double majority provisions, but it makes no sense in the context of this article.

There's nothing in the article to "introduce" the sections and tell the reader the significance of those headings. (Actually there's no no lead at all.)
The headings do not agree with the section contents, which list the results not "a majority of ..."
The headings fail any reasonable interpretation of MOS:HEAD (by reference to MOS:AT) that the title be "a recognizable name or description of the [setion contents] that is natural ..."

To satisfy your intent to express the double majority wording, I propose that we should:

Restore my section headings (or similar)
Add an explicit statement before the first section (ie in the missing lead section) that the referendum failed to gain the support of both a majority of people and a majority of states.

This applies equally to 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum#Preliminary result, which has an extract of Results of the 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum. Mitch Ames (talk) 07:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mitch Ames: I am happy to reinstate your headings, and support the statement in the lead. I would like to know your thoughts though, instead of "States and territories" should it read "State results" due to the fact that the territories don't have an impact in the double majority provisions? ––– GMH MELBOURNE 07:11, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've re-applied my headings, and added a lead .

instead of "States and territories" should it read "State results" ... ? — I think we should include the territories for the sake of completeness (especially if we include electoral divisions). If nothing else, they are shown on the infobox map so we should include them for consistency. However we should definitely note that the territories are not states, for the purposes of "majority of states". Possibly we should split the "states and territories" section, possibly just the table. Mitch Ames (talk) 07:38, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mitch Ames agreed. ––– GMH MELBOURNE 07:43, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should include the territories ... definitely note that the territories are not states — done. Mitch Ames (talk) 08:17, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outstanding votes[edit]

Right now, there are 14.10 million votes tabulated. Does anyone know how many votes are yet to be counted? 2003:DA:C711:3E00:9882:96D:8FD4:8E84 (talk) 01:42, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]