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Is there a bagpipe version of the ghaita in N. Africa?

In my googlings, I'm coming up with mention of the ghaita as a "bagpipe" (and not by the name "mizwad" either). Are the writers mistaken, or is there a bagged version of the ghaita? It seems a pretty fair guess that the Spanish term "gaita" comes from that source, but where does the bag come in? If there is a bagged version, it'd be great to cite reference and mention it in the article.MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Grove says that the Arabic term "ghaita" comes from the Gothic language gait, meaning "goat." I assume the term came from the Visigoths into Spain, then to Morocco from Spain. The Basque algaita probably got the term from Gothic, though perhaps also from Al-Andalus. I've written to the scholar writing on these issues, and he wouldn't answer how he knows this. Regarding a bagged versin of the Moroccan rhaita/ghaita, it's possible but I've never heard of such. There are examples of instruments with the same name (such as elsewhere in the Arabic world), one a reed pipe and another a bagpipe. Badagnani (talk) 21:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See http://phonoarchive.org/grove/Entries/S47346.htm . Badagnani (talk) 21:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The scholar in question, Christian Poché, recommended consulting the following books:

Dictionnaire des musiques et danses traditionnelles de la Mediterranée, Paris, Fayard, 2005 (its contains articles on gaita and ghayta).
Pierre Bec, Les instruments de musique d'origine arabe, sens et histoire de leurs désignations, Toulouse, Isatis, Conservatoire Occitan, 2005.
Also on the web: saramusik.org Badagnani (talk) 21:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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