Talk:Saint Michael in the Catholic Church

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Are any of the icons pictured Roman Catholic icons? Or is this article simply a competitive parallel of the neutral Michael (archangel) Wikipedia page? It doesn't appear to consistently present a specifically Catholic pov, which would be a valuable one, if it had any presentation of the historical development to it. --Wetman (talk) 06:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some of those icons predate the Reformation anyway, and hence are general icons that are of interest to Catholics. I find them interesting as a Catholic anyway, and I know others who do. Moreover, some of the key pieces of Catholic art in Rome in general are icons anyway, e.g. Our Lady of Perpetual Help which also features Saint Michael. Although icons in general have been painted mostly in the Eastern church, Catholics do use and venerate them, e.g. Salus Populi Romani, one of the most venerated pieces of art in Rome. So icons are not non-Catholic at all and Catholics do use and venerate them.

The focus of this article is Catholic belief and prayer not history. If you have a great history about Saint Michael, that would make a great article on its own, like Historical Jesus. I am not aware of that type of historical research. if you do set up a page for that, I will certainly read it.

And this article is far more Roman Catholic than the long and general Saint Michael article that includes at least 5 different religions including Hebrew, Islam, etc. etc. as well as invaluable general sections on "film and television" etc. And by its very nature that general article does not include items such as:

Novenas
Scapular
Chaplet
Popes

that are highly Roman Catholic. I have seen huge debates take place when too many Catholic items are added to a general page. These debates end up being cyclic and waste everyone's time. In the end, the Catholic material ends up moving to a new page anyway e.g. Mariology vs Roman Catholic Mariology. Hence it is essential that this material be kept separate from the general view, to preserve the life of everyone's keyboard via the avoidance of unnecessary cyclic debate. History2007 (talk) 07:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rename[edit]

Should this article be renamed? "Archangel Michael: Roman Catholic traditions and views" seems to be astandard. I propose "Roman Catholic views on Saint Michael". I think the title should start with "Roman Catholic...", and I think "views" encompasses traditions. Since this article is about Catholic views on Michael, he should also be referred to as Saint Michael. AlbertusmagnusOP (talk) 17:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My friend I have been around for a while and seen the sensitive issues of Catholic vs Roman vs X vs Y go on for a while. It is best not to open that Pandora's box for it will waste time and not achieve much. Please also see Roman Catholic (term) and its use within various pages. There are better things to use time for. Cheers. History2007 (talk) 17:54, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your input. I am well versed in that discussion, but it is tangential. I'm hoping to make this article title the same format as other similar articles. The current title is awkward and looks like a book title. After thinking about it more, I re-propose Saint Michael (Roman Catholic) in the same style as Blessed Virgin Mary (Roman Catholic). The BVM article starts with This article is about the Roman Catholic understanding of Mary and her veneration, which I think is the same purpose of this Michael article. AlbertusmagnusOP (talk) 19:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, you know what I think. History2007 (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since History2007's only objection is moot, I'm going to go ahead and move the page. As a related matter, the article usually refers to Michael as St. Michael, and only occasionally as Archangel Michael. Since "saint" is preferred in this article and in Catholic usage (and this article is all about Catholic usage), I'm going to change some of the Archangel Michaels to St. Michaels. AlbertusmagnusOP (talk) 19:30, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so very much for acting as judge, jury and page mover all at once. I will not object to the move because it is a minor point, but that was a dumb thing to do unilaterally. History2007 (talk) 19:38, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry you disagree... Your only objection was to changing/discussing the usage of Roman Catholic. The status quo was preserved as far as that goes. If you had other objections, you should have mentioned them. Otherwise, without any objections, consensus was reached. AlbertusmagnusOP (talk) 19:47, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You should have asked for a WP:Third opinion. But I will let it go for now since you are new. But do not move and ask questions later, again. History2007 (talk) 19:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Souls near death[edit]

The photo of St. Michael saving the souls near death is labelled in Italian (on the image page) as him freeing the souls in purgatory. Thoughts? 173.3.124.59 (talk) 20:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It says that here too.. please check again, kidding, of course. I changed it. History2007 (talk) 20:25, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Sword of St. Michael" - Line of Churches[edit]

Hello, should mention be made on this page of the so-called "Sword of St. Michael" ? This is a series of Churches dedicated to St. Michael that form a straight line on a map from Ireland to Israel. See this link for more info:

https://aleteia.org/2017/05/31/7-sanctuaries-linked-by-a-straight-line-the-legendary-sword-of-st-michael/ Matt1618 (talk) 17:32, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]