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Notable outsider

Hope there is someone else out there who wants to lift this up a bit. He has been notable in a few ways. Fred 11:15, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Subduction is a myth." -- Samuel W. Carey, geologist, 1988

"The most likely site for error is in the most fundamental of our beliefs." -- Samuel W. Carey, geologist, 1988

"I have no doubt that our own orthodox dogma still has falsities within the self-evident axioms we believe we know to be true." -- Samuel W. Carey, geologist 1988

"Well if you say it took a long time to abandon it, it took a long time for people to accept it." -- Samuel W. Carey, geologist, 1981

"People don't want to see it. They believe in subduction like a religion." -- Samuel W. Carey, geologist, 1981

"I had taught subduction for more years than any of the present generation of people had been with it. And when they have been in it as long as I have they'll abandon it too." -- Samuel W. Carey, geologist, 1981

"Subduction exists only in the minds of its creators." -- Samuel W. Carey, geologist, 1976

"American thinking has now arrived pretty much at where I was twenty years ago." -- Samuel W. Carey, geologist, 1972 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.67.161.25 (talk) 20:04, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Founder of

How can S. W. Carey, born in 1911, be declared the founder of the Expanding Earth theory, when Ott Christoph Hilgenberg, born in 1896, published the book "vom wachsenden Erdball" in 1933, when Carey was only 22 years old?

Something must have gone wrong when the article about Hilgenberg was deleted. Since Hilgenberg is the founder of the theory of the growing earth, one cannot deny him the encyclopedic relevance and attribute the foundation of the theory to Carey, just because Carey was a more important geologist. Sciencia58 (talk) 16:04, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the article it says: "Carey developed his expanding earth model independently of the prior work by Ott Christoph Hilgenberg, who proposed a similar model in his 1933 publication "Vom wachsenden Erdball" ("The Expanding Earth"). Carey only learned of Hilgenberg's work in 1956."

So he just learned from him and then made something else out of it. Isn't it usually the case that you learn from your predecessors and make something better out of it? Even if you learn from the mistakes of the predecessor model, you can't claim afterwards that you had developed everything completely "independently". If one had not been able to think about the mistakes of the preliminary model, one would perhaps have committed the mistakes oneself or would not even have come up with the idea of developing an own model. With the deletion of the article about Hilgenberg definitely something went wrong. Sciencia58 (talk) 16:16, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the German Wikipedia Hilgenberg fulfills the relevance criteria and is considered undisputedly the founder of the idea of the growing earth. Sciencia58 (talk) 16:23, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]