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Forbidden techniques

I made a number of changes to the "Forbidden techniques" section on June 16th 2017. This section had few citations, repetitive information, and some mistaken and/or biased points which did not properly take into account the differing opinions encompassed in Jewish law. I was having some log in issues at the time that I was making these changes, so many of the changes are not stamped with my username - yadidyag

Ban of Shechita in Poland

I don't think there's much to discuss here: [1]. The ban of this barbaric custom in Poland is relevant and the Poles' actions laudable. Also, you may remember, that Jewish lobby groups elsewhere raised quite some stir about the issue.Polska jest Najważniejsza (talk) 14:17, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Polska jest Najważniejsza - Why cherry pick Poland (!?) to the article about the method of slaughtering animals? Find a good explanation for that please. - GizzyCatBella🍁 15:20, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is not "cherry-picked": other countries of the EU let the animals be tortured to death with the absurd pretext that this is "religious custom". If other countries (presumably Hungary would be the next one) follow Poland's example, I will simply add them, too, to the hall of fame of countries defeating animal cruelty.Polska jest Najważniejsza (talk) 17:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is that the only explanation you have as to why you created [2] an entirely separate section dedicated to Poland, on the article about slaughtering of animals and birds for food, that has nothing or extremely little to do with Poland? - GizzyCatBella🍁 18:07, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Primitive, superstition in a modern, civilized society?

What is the place is justification for a medieval, barbaric, primitive, superstitious practice in the 21st century?

There should be presentation of various current views of these ritual killings in an encyclopaedia. 86.185.39.12 (talk) 08:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They can very well be added if we have reliable sources per WP:RS. Rasnaboy (talk) 17:35, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Spencer Foods is was a kosher slaughterhouse

Since the paragraph has been removed twice now I'll put this link here [3] to answer any claims that it is was not. Quote: "A conveyor-restrainer system with a head holder was recently installed at Spencer Foods in Iowa for kosher slaughter of large beef cattle. ... A standard conveyor-restrainer, described in Grandin (1980c) was used." Sjö (talk) 05:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sjö, the kosher meat processor called Spencer Food has been out of business for nearly 40 years, and the current Louisiana business called Spencer Foods is obviously not kosher since they publish shrimp recipes. You cannot use a source published back when Jimmy Carter was president for such a claim. Cullen328 (talk) 05:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but I can use it as a source for the claim that when Temple Grandin wrote about Spencer Foods it was at that time a kosher slaughterhouse. That means that it is wrong to remove a sourced quote because circumstances have changed. I have changed "is" to "was" above. Sjö (talk) 05:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you even describing a long defunct company instead of a contemporary company, Sjö, when you didn't even know it was defunct until I told you so? Cullen328 (talk) 05:46, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because it is relevant to the content of the article, since Grandin's quote mentions Spencer Foods. Sjö (talk) 07:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see how an eight sentence direct quotation about a long defunct company and content about a piece of equipment they apparently bought decades ago improves the reader's understanding of shechita. It is undue weight and you did not even know the company went out of business long ago, Sjö. Cullen328 (talk) 07:33, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks to me like you are getting somewhat agitated. Maybe you misunderstood what I did and why?

I did not add this quote to the article, Grandin's quote has been in article since at least 2011. I didn't go further back than that but it is pretty clear that the quote has been a stable part of this article for years. As I said, I didn't add it, I restored it since it was removed for a reason which was incorrect, namely that it was not about shechita.

There might be good reasons to remove the quote, but since it has been in the article for so long I think that it could be discussed on the talk page first. Personally, I think that it does have its place in the section "Efforts to improve conditions in shechita slaughterhouses" as a description of what the conditions were like and of Grandin's motivation to improve them. Sjö (talk) 09:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]