Talk:Spanish diaspora

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Population

What is exactly the population of the Spanish diaspora?

I know it is tough to answer but at least a range of estimates must be given by some outside source(s).ThisguyYEAH (talk) 02:32, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

=== United States has 10,017,244 descendants ^[1] === And 80% of Mexicans have Spanish ancestry is absurd. You confuden that Mexicans are indomestizos (75% indigenous and 25% Hispanic), both in the Philippines where the majority are Asian. In an American of African descent with the name Brown they do not consider English diaspora, then the same should apply in this diapora

brazil have the most spanish descents in all world - in the anciet centuries (xvi, xvii, etc), the majority of this population was in northeastern and sao paulo (anciet surnames bueno, camargo, etc is from anciet spanish in brazil) but the last imigration was in sao paulo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.32.15 (talk) 18:29, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

in recent times spaniards like very tourism in northeastern brazil and living too - spaniards founded cities in brazil (joao pessoa, sao cristovao etc - all in northeast) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.64.32.15 (talk) 18:31, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"...result of its technical superiority..." This sentence is overly simplistic and not entirely accurate as it omits many facets of the what is referred to as the conquest which were events that lasted decades and in some cases centuries. Firstly in the early stages most of the 'conquerors' were overwhelmingly other indigenous warriors. Secondly in the following years introduced Old World diseases wiped out a large portion of the native population (including native allies), far more than actual warfare and whatever primitive gun technology was used in Europe at the time. These circumstances are what allowed Westernized biracials to thrive at the expense of those of pure (or almost) indigenous ancestry who either died or were left physically weakened by these pandemics. Mestizos who've outnumbered those of pure European ancestry since European colonization, gradually gained the ascendancy over the years and absorbed/assimilated the remainder of the native population over a long period of time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:388:6080:289:89F5:276:C619:BAB8 (talk) 08:47, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Spanish diaspora

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Spanish diaspora's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "census.gov":

From Hispanic: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-04.pdf
From Spanish Americans: Hispanic Amerian population 2010 census.
From Hispanic and Latino Americans: US Census Bureau Public Information Office. "Most Children Younger Than Age 1 are Minorities, Census Bureau Reports - Population - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau". Retrieved 5 March 2015.
From European American: "Internet Archive Wayback Machine" (PDF). Retrieved 24 March 2015. {{cite web}}: Cite uses generic title (help)
From White people: Table 1. United States – Race and Hispanic Origin: 1790 to 1990. (PDF).

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:36, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Surnames etc.

Yes Asilah, it's not unlikely that a Latin American with a Spanish surname has no Spanish ancestry at all, and I remember distinctly such cases for instance in Argentina (natives called José López or similar names). And WP:NOTSOURCE is not something to joke about. If the current references are BS (bullshit?), at least someone took the time to search for them. --Jotamar (talk) 16:23, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://books.google.com/books?id=Jw3kn_AgNTkC&pg=PA361&dq=English+US+census+1790

Numbers claiming Spanish ancestry

I am not convinced there is an actual number for this. An editor added sources for a figure of 231 million outside of Spain. The sources don't seem to go anywhere though. We should not be putting up information that is unsourced so unless someone has studied this and published a figure, we probably should not have one at all. Note that these figures often seem to cause edit warring, but if editors cannot agree a figure that is true and have several different figures, this does rather suggest a true figure is not known. Any thoughts? -- Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:40, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The figure has again been reverted to 340 million without any sourcing or attempt at consensus. The article history shows that in September the quoted figure was 500 million, without sourcing. The fact that there are three different numbers all being argued for, and no sources give any number, shows that it is inappropriate for the infobox to state any number. Wikipedia cannot assert a number without evidence, so I have removed it and we will now need editor consensus here before putting in a figure. I have no problem with a figure being quoted, but I don't know what the number is, and until and unless someone can provide a citation to some research on this, we cannot have a figure here. -- Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 12:59, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina (Spanish Argentinians, 86%)

About 86% of Argentinians have at least partial Spanish ancestry. --190.183.247.93 (talk) 04:50, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Spanish immigration to Paraguay" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Spanish immigration to Paraguay and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 6#Spanish immigration to Paraguay until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:32, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Spanish immigration to Panama" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Spanish immigration to Panama and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 6#Spanish immigration to Panama until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Spanish immigration to Nicaragua" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Spanish immigration to Nicaragua and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 6#Spanish immigration to Nicaragua until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 19:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of countries by population of Spanish descent

The section List of countries by population of Spanish descent has recently been erased by Xuxo, claiming that the table is full of original research. I certainly find that the table has very limited reliability, however I don't think deleting it is a good idea. The reason is that, sooner or later, and more likely soon, the information in the table will be reintroduced in the page in unexpected ways, and having it at least gathered in one single section, where the real criteria for the figures, such as people who claim to be white, must be clearly stated, is going to be far less misleading for readers. I'm saying this from experience, as I've had this page in my watchlist for a long time. And consequently I'm recovering the section. Jotamar (talk) 20:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That table is unsourced, it is not a matter of thinking if it's a good idea to remove it or not. If there are no sources, it must be removed. Those numbers are imaginary, for example, it counts all "White Hispanics" living in the USA as part of the "Spanish diaspora", whereas there are millions of whites in Latin America who are 0% Spanish (Italians, Germans, Poles etc also immigrated to Latin America). It is the same as claiming that all White Americans are of English descent. That's just ignorance. Xuxo (talk) 20:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Xuxo: I'm pretty concerned about your persistence in deleting the whole section. Have you even bothered to examine the entries one by one? For example, the entry for Brazil doesn't seem to be so badly sourced. And there is another important question: since you haven't addressed my worries about all those figures being reintroduced soon, does that mean that you are ready to keep a watchful eye on the page in the future, and delete all unsourced editions about "Spanish ancestry"? --Jotamar (talk) 21:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it is you the person reintroducing unsourced information to the article, not someone else. Are you the person who invented those figures? I did not check who invented them. And yes, I'll be observing the article, so that false figures do not show up anymore, you should do the same.Xuxo (talk) 03:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://books.google.com/books?id=Jw3kn_AgNTkC&pg=PA361&dq=English+US+census+1790

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