Talk:Swaziland at the 2012 Summer Olympics

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Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 18:18, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Will do this JAGUAR 18:18, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"The delegation included two track and field athletes, Sibusiso Matsenjwa and Phumlile Ndzinisa" - colon needed instead of comma after "athletes"
- Done MWright96 (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
" with the exception of the the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal" - link Montreal
- Done MWright96 (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Swaziland would participate in the Summer Olympics from 27 July to 12 August 2012" - mention London Summer Olympics as it confused me because this sentence was after other olympics
- Done MWright96 (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"However, since Mauritania had no athletes that met either standard, they were allowed to select two athletes, one of each gender, as wildcards" - Mauritania?
- How did I leave that In? LOL. Corrected. MWright96 (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Men's" and "Women's" don't need to be capitalised in the Background section (I think)
- Done MWright96 (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the "bye" line from the key as it's not mentioned in the table
- Done MWright96 (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No dead links
No dab links

Looking good! Will place on hold until all are out of the way. JAGUAR 18:40, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaguar: Thanks for the review. I have taken action on all the above points. MWright96 (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, promoted

JAGUAR 19:00, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've undone this promotion, which is seriously deficient. While Jaguar has checked the text for grammar and obvious typos, he doesn't seem to have checked the much more fundamental isue of whether the sources given verify the content of the article.

"[...]with the exception of the the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal and the 1980 Summer Olympics in the Soviet Union,[1] the former because of a boycott relating to the New Zealand national rugby union team touring South Africa.[2] " Ignoring the "the the 1976" error, the problem here is with source 2: BBC gives a list of countries not participating in 1976 because of this boycott, but Swaziland isn't mentioned in the article
- Replaced source with a book called Historical Dictionary of the Olympic Movement (2011). MWright96 (talk) 11:07, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"However, since Swaziland had no athletes that met either standard, they were allowed to select two athletes, one of each gender, as wildcards." This is not supported by the source given, which is a general source about wildcards, nothing about Swaziland. Anyway, why did they then send three athletes, not two? Oh right, "A third athlete, swimmer Luke Hall qualified for the games via wildcard for the men's 50 metre freestyle." The source for this[1] says nothing about a wildcard. Basically, any country may send one man and one woman to participate in athletics (in the narrow sense). How many can receiev wildcards for other sports is not given. This section is written very confusingly. How Luke Hall qualified can not be determined from the source given.
- Hall qualified after he was awarded with a "universality place" from FINA. MWright96 (talk) 12:08, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"setting a new Swaziland national record." Not supported by the source, which doesn't indicate national or other records.
- Referenced from this source MWright96 (talk) 12:08, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Overall Matsenjwa finished 40th out of 53 athletes, and was 0.31 seconds slower than the slowest athlete that progressed to the semi-final stage" Not true, he finished in 20.93 and the slowest to progress were Kei Takase and Jared Connaughton in 20.72, which is 0.21 slower.
- Corrected MWright96 (talk) 09:02, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Luke Hall, who at the age of 23 was participating in his first Olympic games" Um, no, he competed in 2008 as well.
- Corrected MWright96 (talk) 09:02, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"He finished 36th out of 58 swimmers overall and finished 0.32 seconds slower than the slowest swimmer to progress to the next round" His time was 23.48 seconds, and the slowest to qualify for the semi-finals was 22.27, which means that he was 1.21 seconds too slow, not 0.32.
- Corrected MWright96 (talk) 09:02, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think, in general, that the format of these "small country at the XXXX Summer Olympics" is good enough to create GAs in general (they completely ignore why e.g. these two athletes were given a wildcard and not some others; but they go into excessive detail each time about who finished behind the athletes in their heats, as if that is of major importance). But they should at least have their facts correct, and the first thing a GA reviewer should do is chacking the facts, not looking for typos and the like. Fram (talk) 08:46, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Fram: Is there any other issues that need to be addressed? MWright96 (talk) 12:08, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- No idea, I only did a relatively swift check to find the above. Thank you for your speedy corrections. It would be best if someone uninvolved (i.e. not me or Jaguar) did a proper GA review now. Fram (talk) 12:16, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - I've spent some time spotchecking the sources and can't find any more issues. I will be sure to check over them more thoroughly in the future GANs but I happened to skimp this last night. I think this meets the criteria as it's comprehensive enough for the subject and utilises the sources well. If there are no more objections then this should be ready to go. JAGUAR 17:47, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Should this page be moved to Eswatini at the 2012 Summer Olympics?

Swaziland has changed their name to Eswatini, so should this page be moved to "Eswatini at the 2012 Summer Olympics", or, since that was its name in 2012, should it stay? If so, all other "Swaziland at X Y Olympics" articles should be moved as well. Tranman64 (talk) 19:55, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]