Talk:Taipei/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Tourism vandalsim?

One of the entries on under the Tourism section could be interpreted as saying that all points of interest under that title are gay. Please correct?--IVinshe 05:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Flag of Japan

Someone clearly mischievously posted 'Hinomaru!' on the Taipei page. Please remove. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.137.139.151 (talk) 02:51, 17 April 2007‎ (UTC)

Taipei Mayor

Taipei Mayor is a different person now, should be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.83.227.99 (talk) 08:29, 14 December 2006‎ (UTC)

waste disposal

Can someone add something about the waste disposal program of the municipal government? I think that the program is more advanced than many of the world's big cities, it deserve some notations. --128.8.8.248 12:00, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Official name et al

Added some data.

Also the statement that Taipei is the capital of Taiwan needed to be clarified a bit. Taipei is the provisional national capital of the Republic of China but it is not the capital of Taiwan province which is in Chung-hsing-hsin-tsun.

Wouldn't the Pinyin spelling be Taibei? Can someone comment on this? -- Anon

I realize that PRC doesn't recognize ROC. I guess that they would thus refuse to consider Taipei the "capitol" of anything.

If there is a dispute, let's write about the dispute in the article. Who says Taipei is a national capitol? Who says it's not? --Ed Poor

Taipei is spelled in Wade-Giles system.

And I don't think we shall write dispute in the article. After all, ROC doesn't recognize PRC as well, so shall we write that "Beijing is not recognised as a national capital by ROC" too? --formulax

Taipei is actually a simplification of the Wade-Giles spelling T'aipei. But I think no one spells Taibei except in PRC official documents since Taipei is now well-established as the official name of the city. --W S Kuo

True, that's why our article title is Taipei, not Taibei. --Menchi (Talk)a 06:06, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Yes. For what it's worth, Taiwan recently went through a lot of trouble to change to use the Pinyin that mainland China does (eg: change Tam-shui to Dan-shui), but they left the spelling of Taipei alone. I think it'll be Taipei for a long, long time. PhiloVivero 11:58, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Taiwan didn't change to Pinyin, but to a system very similar to Pinyin (can't remember what's it's called). And you are right that as part of that system, some traditional spellings were maintained. The city of Taipei, on the other hand, having a mayor from a party from the KMT while the President of Taiwan is DPP, has opted to use Pinyin. 132.228.195.207 17:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Taipei is a simplification of the correct Wade-Giles spelling T'ai-pei. There's always a dash in between.

I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as the Republic of Taiwan, so Taipei can't be its capital as the first sentence claims. Guest.

District romanization

Why are the districts wikified in their Tongyong Pinyin romanization? Didn't Taipei adopt Hanyu Pinyin, according to our pinyin article? --Jiang | Talk 20:34, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Because I copied the Tonyyong from Ministry of the Interior's nice website without giving second thoughts. >_<

I just checked out some districts' official sites that'd show the difference (eg Zhongzheng and Shilin), and they used Hanyu. Will change now. --Menchi (Talk)a 06:06, 16 December 2003 (UTC)

Photo captiion

I added an image of Taipei, but I can't remember the name of the TRTS station for the image caption. I think it's Zhong-shan but don't want to put something incorrect, so I left it ambiguous. Also, I do not know the name of the hill from which the photograph was taken. It is a hill adjacent to Da-an and... Zhong-shan? Does anyone know the name of that hill? It's the hill upon which the famous gigantic hotel sits, whose name I also forget. Sorry. I'm a westerner. I forget these things. PhiloVivero 12:00, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Being a westerner is no excuse! You can only blame your puny engramme! (kidding) I don't know the station, but the "gigantic hotel" = The Grand Hotel perhaps. --Menchi 19:39, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The station name is "Jiantan", and the hill name is "Jiantan Shan". Sichinaren 10:40, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Err.... I live at the foot of that hill and have never heard it referred to as anything but Yuan-Shan.

Correction: Apparently the main peak is indeed called Jiantan Shan which is part of the Yuan Shan Scenic Area. Loren 04:47, 10 September 2004 (UTC)

Romanization

Romanizations should always include Hanyu Pinyin, and Wade Giles in special cases. Other romanizations is unnecessary unless it is exclusively used and widely accepted. Apparently POJ is not the case here. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (China-related articles) for more information. -- 59.121.191.201 06:20, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Why should the Manual of Style for China related articles apply to an article about Taiwan? Perhaps we need a similar manual for Taiwan, or perhaps, since the Manual of Style for China-related articles seems mainly focused on language, it should be renamed to "Manual of Style (Usage of Chinese Language). Readin 17:41, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I also maintain that Tongyong Pinyin should not be used in any place where it can be avoided. Taipei City is one such place; Taipei County, however, has unfortunately officially adopted it and thus it cannot be avoided. Tongyong was created for purely political purposes and is rejected by the KMT and most of the world; it is only used in DPP-controlled areas and is thus subject to being scrapped whenever the KMT take control of a region of Taiwan. In summary, any article on Taipei should not include Tongyong Pinyin. - Bubbha (June 25, 2006)

Sister City

This is kinda weird, as the Seoul metropolitan government websites indicates the sister city relationship between Seoul and Taipei began in 1968 [1], but I see this page has it as 1967. I'm assuming the Taipei government website indicates the sister-city relationship with Seoul began in 1967. Anyone want to clarify this? Regards, Deiaemeth 23:57, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

This government site [2] puts the date as 1968. I'll make the changes :-). Regards, Deiaemeth 00:00, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Quezon city is also listead as 1967 - [3] puts it as 1968. Deiaemeth 00:02, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

New Info: Added sister Cities subtitle Kcuello (talk) 18:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I went to the suster cities Internaitonal webpage and noticed only ameerican cities are listed for Taipei. I found on the Manila stub for Wikipedia that Taipei is a sister City, however Im not sure if it is correct. If someone cluld please verify other sister cities for Taipei and as well as the authenticity of Manila being a sister city it would be much appreciated. Kcuello (talk) 18:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Find someone to edit it...

I just dropped by for info, and found that in a paragraph of the History section:

In the late 19th century, the Taipei area, where the major Han settlements in northern Republic of China [...]. In 1875, the northern part of Republic of China was separated from Taiwan Prefecture (臺灣府) and incorporated into the new Taipei Prefecture (臺北府).

There must be some idiot who used bots to change "Taiwan" into "Republic of China"-- but oblivious to the fact that RoC didn't even exist at the time this paragraph is talking about!

However, due to the sensitivity of the legal status of Taiwan, I ain't sure if my proposed edit (to "Taiwan province, since at that time Taiwan is a province of Qing Dynasty) is political correct or not, so I need to make sure... --Samuel Curtis 13:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

The changes were made by 210.64.211.250 (talk · contribs). I believe I have changed back most of them. "Taiwan" is perfectly fine in a geographical context. -Loren 16:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Taipei City Seal Crisis

A certain user forbids the use of Image:Taipei_City_seal.png on any templates dealing with Taipei City because the user argues that since the seal is used under fair use, it can only exist on the Taipei City article and no where else. (It would be interesting to see how this would affect the use of the seal of the State of California or the City of San Francisco.). Quite frankly, the Taipei City Flag is seldom used anymore to represent the city to the point that some people actually think that the seal represents the city, so I feel somewhat upset. Is there any solution to this problem? I did originally create a self-made power point version of the Taipei City Seal (see [4]) before it was replaced by another user with a seal directly from the Taipei City government. Would it be possible for me to reinstate the version that I originally created and have it licensed under GFDL? Allentchang 08:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

The simplest way around this would be to simply hardcode the contents of the template onto the article itself. If the fair use item is in article-space then it would seem to circumvent the objection that a fair-use image can't be used outside articles (not that I agree with that POV, but I really don't feel like contesting it at the moment). -Loren 09:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I just made an userbox for people from Taipei, since residents of other major cities already have their own city userbox. Just wondering if we can use the city seal in the userbox Nikko 17:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Userage: {{User Taipei}} , and it looks like

This user lives in or hails from Taipei.

.

OK.. it seems like use of city seal is not allowed. I changed it a Taipei101 icon that I made, but it's kinda ugly since it black. If someone have better idea, please change it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MyNikko (talk ‧ contribs) 08:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

"People from Taipei" category?

There is no "People from Taipei" category? Badagnani 18:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Gamma World City?

That's an obscure information tidbit, and doesn't belong at the head of the article, imho. Kaicarver 12:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

beg to differ. I've sene it in the first few paragraphs of a bunch of Gamma world Cities. Kcuello (talk) 18:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Seal

From the official Taipei city site, the city seal is the red five-petaled plum blossom. The logo with the english word "taipei" is the city government seal. Gangsta, can you read Chinese? Blueshirts 08:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Who deleted the Hokkien names?

At some points I've seen romanized Hokkien/Taiwanese names alongside the Mandarin, but it seems the Mandarin police have taken them out. What's going on here? Who let the Chiangs out? Why the hatred? Hokkien is widely spoken even in Taibei. Come on, guys, let's share.

Also, there is no section on demographics, is that because there used to be one and people kept changing it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 149.142.112.3 (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC).

Hokkienese may be spoken in Taipei, but who refers to Taipei's areas by Hokkienese names? I've never heard anyone do that.

Wikimedia '07

Should there be an area in this about Wikimedia 07 being held here? G man yo 12:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Governent

I think the Taipei City Council needs to be mentioned in the politics/government section.--123.192.70.30 02:20, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Images

Please put back the image of the government building in that relevant section on the Taipei page thankyou. Hopefully this article can be fully expanded so image won't be cluttered ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you?" Contribs} 19:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Lists

The "Education" and "Tourism" sections are nothing but a collection of lists. They really need to be replaced with some content. I also don't think it's very useful to have a huge Sister cities section. If no one objects I will take care of these shortly. --Ideogram 19:33, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

What is going on here?

I have noticed there has been significant changes to the article about Taipei in the past couple of weeks. Frankly I think things have become worse in terms of trying to give balanced treatment of places and institutions in Taipei.

1. The education section is almost all about National Taiwan University. This is totally unnecessary because there is a dedicated article about the National Taiwan University. Also, this gives the impression that the National Taiwan University is the only unversity that matters in Taipei, which is totally wrong. We should restore the original list of universities in Taipei. Also, a balanced coverage about education would include elementary, middle, and high schools.

2. The picture of Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport is not needed because the airport isn't even within city limits!

3. The history of Taipei's rapid transist network is not needed for this article and should be moved to the article about Taipei's metro system.

4. Why does the Grand Hotel fall under festivities and events?

5. Information about the National Palace Museum is way too much. Condense it. People can read everything they want in the dedicated National Palace Museum article.

6. Information about the Shilin Night Market is way too much and gives an unbalanced treatment of night markets in Taipei. There are other night markets in Taipei that also deserve some attention.

7. Information about the Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall is way too much. Condense it.

8. The Taipei City logo keeps on being removed. STOP DOING THIS. Go to the Taipei City Government official website and tell me what logo the government uses to represent the city. The so-called flag and seal are seldom seen in the city anymore. Allentchang 16:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello Allen,

Thank you for your comments. We definitely need input from someone familiar with modern Taipei. Ernst has done a great deal of work on this article, which I hope you will agree was in a terrible state before. It is still a work in progress and we welcome your help in achieving balanced coverage. --Ideogram 17:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Important pointers

• Do not list the address and operating hours of museums because this is not the Wikitravel for Taipei.
• Unnecessary information about the Taipei MRT has been removed as this can be found in the Taipei Metro article.
• Too much bias was given to the Longshan Temple and the Mormon temple, forcing me to move their information.
• There are 18 universities in Taipei. I had to remove the NTU information in order for there to be balanced representation of the other universities.
• Details of the Shilin Night Market can be found in the Shilin Night Market article.

Allentchang 13:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Tamsui

The area of Danshui is spelled "Tamsui," can someone correct that? The source of the spelling of that is incorrect. -68.4.73.34 (talk) 09:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not incorrect, they're just different romanizations.--Jerrch 16:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

And under naming conventions, if a spelling is the one commonly used in English, that is the one to use. How commonly known is Tamsui in English? Certainly among the expat community in Taiwan, it is a well-known name, and Danshui would likely not be recognized by many. But is the expat community in Taiwan enough to make the term the common one under Wikipedia policies? Readin (talk) 07:24, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Are you saying that people who do not live there should have a bigger say in translating the name? --K kc chan (talk) 00:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

As an expat living in Taiwan, I can tell you that the two names are about in equal use. The spelling is purely a political question, not a question of correct/incorrect.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 04:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Green/Blue edit warring

I did 1RR[5] and don't really care enough to watch this any further. Qwegwewe (talk · contribs) is obviously a blue editor interested in making sure monuments have their blue names. Those more interested should deal with it. SchmuckyTheCat (talk) 04:06, 9 May 2008‎ (UTC)

Constitution

According to the ROC constitution, Taipei is the "provisional capital", Nanjing (Nanking, ROC spelling) is the "primary capital". Benlisquare (talk) 10:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Introduction

• Moved intro too long temp to article page. Washburnmav (talk) 21:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 10:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Attractions section

The section is too specific for this article. I have created a new page List of tourist attractions in Taipei. If anyone feels the need to add information about tourism in Taipei, feel free to add to the section, but if you are going to add a specific site, please refer to the list. Thank you.

Also, the section about the Maokong Gondola was removed because it already falls under the transportation section.

As for the paragraph about National Palace Museum in the intro; not only is it to specific for a paragraph, considering the introduction is too long, the paragraph is redundant.--Jerrch 23:20, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to reedit the intro paragraph for tourism, specifically I'm going to remove the bit about languages in the MRT (more appropriate for the transportation section) and wireless access (not really related to a section about tourist sites). I'll make it more a summary of the city's sites- right now it only mentions Yangming shan, Beitou, Maokong and Bitan. Farther down I'll expand the part on temples, since only Longshan Temple is mentioned. Any objections? Daibaklang 9 Dec 2008 —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC).

Climate

Somehow the table of temperatures and rainfall was damaged. Maybe it was vandalism. Currently, the table is unsourced. We could use this:

Month	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec
Avg high °C	18	19	21	25	28	31	33	33	30	37	24	20
Avg low temperature °C	14	14	16	20	23	25	27	26	25	23	20	16
Source: MSN Weather

Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 23:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Can someone add Fahrenheit to the climate table? Toad_rules (talk) 15:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

External resource- new local guide plus cultural exchange. Hope you will consider adding.

Platial Local Guide, Philip Lee brings to life the vivid landscape and social-scape of Taipei. http://platial.com/philipleets/local

He just released this and we're very excited for him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deisnor (talk • contribs) 21:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Linguistics box...

Hello there.. is there any policy regarding the position of the infobox on top or below any other related box (in this case, the city infobox)? Gumuhua (talk) 19:14, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Location of Taipei

moved from another thread to here by Readin Likewise, you could have used "Republic of China (Taiwan)" for Taipei at first place. But you chose to push your politics onto other people and decided to start another edit war when we have been over that discussion previously. Taiwan as a country is not acceptable. Any changes to put Taiwan as a country will always be subject to contention. In the interest of being more productive for you and for myself, I would ask you to stop doing it. Let's just save some time because this is boring.--pyl (talk) 15:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

It "Republic of China (Taiwan)" but someone changed it. By convention "Republic of China" is used in political contexts. The location of a city isn't political. Although it is not political to call Taiwan a "country" ("country" has many meanings, most of which have nothing to do with politics), I tried to find wording less likely to draw reverts by changing "country" to simply "location". However that was quickly reverted. Having thought about it, I must reject the intrusion of politics into this. "Republic of China" is not the right description for the location of Taipei. Taipei has been around far longer than the Republic of China. And for almost half of the lifespan of the Republic of China, Taipei was part of Japan. However, Taipei has always been in Taiwan. "Taiwan" is the correct word to use and also the most useful for people who want to know where Taipei is.

Finally, I would note in the interest of neutrality and the importance some editors place on the PRC, that the location of Beijing is not given as "country: People's Republic of China". It correctly uses the non-political name and says "country: China". Readin (talk) 18:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Taipei is a political division of the Republic of China. If you don't like this, then put China for country. ::Putting Taiwan for country breaks the NPOV rule as it implies that Taiwan is a country. Republic of China is both the state and the country, where Taiwan is now the common name for the Republic of China even though itself is a controversial practice. But in the interest of ordinary readers who know Taiwan more than the ROC, this is tolerable. On the other hand, if you can read Chinese, you will note that this practice is not used in the Chinese version of Wikipedia, as the ROC is well known. In other words, the common name for the ROC is the ROC.

If you want to be "fair", go put PRC as the country for Beijing.--pyl (talk) 00:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

How about we try to provide knowledge people can use, like the location of Taipei. It's in Taiwan. If you don't like callling Taiwan a "country" because you choose to focus only on the political meaning of the word and because you choose to listen to the imaginations of Chinese imperialists, then let's just call it a "location". Readin (talk) 01:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't have an issue with Taipei's location being in Taiwan, as long as Taiwan is not being described as a country.

I would also ask you stop describing me as "listening to the imaginations of Chinese imperialists". I don't think that's going to get you too far in getting cooperation with me. Taiwan's constitution calls the country the "Republic of China". I am not sure what imagination you were refer to. I can also call you as someone who listens to the imaginations of Taiwan independence supporters, as the "Republic of Taiwan" only exists in their imaginations. Trading insults is not helpful.--pyl (talk) 13:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Even you see Taiwan as a "country" in the political sense of the word. You said "Taiwan's constitution". Locations don't have constitutions. Nor do areas, regions, or islands. Countries, or more formally "states", have constitutions. Readin (talk) 14:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Argumentative again. I think it's pretty clear that I used the word "Taiwan" in the common name sense.--pyl (talk) 16:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Mongolia

This is a very minor issue regarding Taipei's sister city of Ulan Bator. It was my opinion that since the Republic of China still claims sovereignty over outer Mongolia (including all of the modern state of Mongolia), the listing of Ulan Bator under sister cities should reflect it like this:

• Ulan Bator, China (administered by Mongolia)

However, I would also be satisfied with the current way, because since the People's Republic of China does recognise Mongolia as a state and claims Taipei as part of its territory, it is in alignment with the PRC perspective.Farkas János (talk) 15:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

My understanding of the Wikipedia philosophy is that we should describe things as they are rather than as someone believes they should be. Regardless of whether the ROC's claims to Mongolia are justified, righteous, legal, or any other term you want to apply to make it sound good, the fact remains that the ROC flag does not fly over Mongolia and the ROC does not have control over Mongolia, just as the PRC flag does not fly over Taiwan and the PRC does not have control over Taiwan. The flag that should be placed next to Ulan Bator is the flag that represents the political entity (I don't want to get into an argument about what constitutes a "state", "country", or "province") that exercises final earthly control in governing Ulan Bator. That flag is the flag of Mongolia. Readin (talk) 16:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

If that's the case then why does Trondheim's sister city of Tiraspol have have two flags? There is one for Moldova and one for Transnistria. Farkas János (talk) 19:15, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I dare you to try and change it. Go see what happens. Farkas János (talk) 19:46, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Modern Japanese name?

Hi.

I was just wondering - is the name of Taipei still Taihoku in Japanese, or has it been changed to something else? --Nerroth (talk) 05:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The Japanese version of the article lists it as both たいぺいし (Taipei City) and たいほくし (Taihoku City). --Multivariable (talk) 05:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - but I was wondering if there was one or another which was considered more proper. Does Taihoku have any kind of perceived colonial connotations (like Bombay/Mumbai) or is it not that big a deal (like Dublin/Baile Átha Cliath)? --Nerroth (talk) 05:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Pei means North?!

TaiPei means Northern Taiwan. The Mandarin-Chinese word for north(ern) was Bei and not Pei, or is this in Min Nan-Chinese? --82.134.154.25 (talk) 20:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

That is a matter of transcription system. In Pinyin, the name would be "Taibei". For a check you should look at the Chinese script. The same Chinese character 北 (North) is used in 台北 (Taipei or Taibei) and 北京 (Peking or Beijing). −Woodstone (talk) 01:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Taipei (台北; literally "Northern Taiwan")

My understanding of Chinese is somewhat limited, but I've read somewhere that "Taiwan" literally means "terraced bay". I do understand Chinese enough to infer that the literal translation of "台北" should be either "Terrace North" or "Northern terrace". However it does seem that the more commonsense approach is the definition given above and used in the article.

WikiLaurent delete the translation and asked for a source. The alliance changed it back saying it was "obvious". I'm wondering if it really is obvious. Is it possible that Taipei was named first and Taiwan given the name "Taiwan" later? When were the names given? Is it a common naming convention in Chinese to use "North (place name)", "West (place name)" so that we can assume that Taipei, Taichung, and Taiwan are following a well-established pattern? I mean, I strongly suspect that "Taipei" really does mean "North Taiwan", but I would like to feel more comfortable that it really is "obvious". Readin (talk) 04:22, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

It happens all the time: Hubei, Hunan; Hebei, Henan; Beijing, Nanjing. It's not exactly a system, but it's just convenient and what came up. It's kinda like the American states North/South Dakota and North/South Carolina. As for the history behind the naming of Taipei, from what I know, it was named Taipei when the Island was already known as Taiwan. The Island was initially governed as the Taiwan-prefecture, but the northern part was later split into a separate Taipei-prefecture, with Taipei as the capital. When the Island was split from the Fukien Province into its own Taiwan Province, Taiwan-Prefecture was renamed Tainan. I mean, alliance is right, it really is common-sense... Taipei has always meant north Taiwan, same with Tainan, Taichung, and Taitung. It's not exactly a pattern, they didn't purposefully went picking and deciding to name the cities east/west/north/south. They just happened to be named that way. I mean, there's a Taipei/nan/tung/chung, but there's no Taixi. Okay, there's a Taixi, but it's a rural township, not a city. Point is, the cities came about and were named after the island, not with the island. Liu Tao (talk) 08:01, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I believe the Beijing, Chungking, Nanjing, Tokyo patter is different as the "jing/king/kyo" refers to the city being a capital rather than it being in a particular region. Hubei, Hunan; Hebei, Henan follow a different pattern because they have the directional term at then end of the word rather than the beginning of the word. I still think we're probably right that the "Tai" in Taipei (and Taichung and Tainan) serves to locate the city within the country. I just wish we could be surer that we're not simply repeating common conventional wisdom that turns aout to be wrong. For example, I was also very certain the Chinese word "Ke Ai" and the Japanese word "Kawaii" must be different pronunciations of the same word. But it turns out they have very different etymologies. Readin (talk) 02:01, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

What I've told you was the Etymology for Taipei. The northern part of the Taiwan Prefecture was split from the prefecture into it's own prefecture named Taipei. Later the prefectural name became the name of the capital of the prefecture, which became the capital of the Province. If you want to get technical and logical with it, then simple. Taipei was named Taipei because it was in the northern part of Taiwan. Tainan (which was originally named Taiwan) was renamed Tainan because it was towards the south when the Island was reorganised into a Province. It's directional just like the capitals as well. Beijing was named Beijing because it was in the north, same with Nanjing, Tokyo and the other several cities historically named Dongjing, etc etc. Liu Tao (talk) 04:56, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok. Sounds good. Thanks Readin (talk) 03:35, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

@Readin: the Chinese for Chongqing (Chungking) is 重庆/重慶, obviously with NO 京 or 都 within it. The second character means 'celebration', which is obviously not the same as '(political) capital'.

New Opening sentence

"Taipei (台北; literally "Northern Taiwan") is the capital of Taiwan, Republic of China (ROC) since 1949 and its largest city..."

I think the opening needs some work. First, when we say "Taiwan, Republic of China" it sounds like the province is being described. If that is the case, then it is wrong in two ways. First, Taipei was the capital of the province before 1949. Second, Taipei is no longer the capital of the province.

If the meaning is to say that Taipei is the capital of the country, then "Taiwan (Republic of China)" or "Republic of China (Taiwan)" would be clearer. But in either case, it seems to be misleading to fail to note that Taipei has been the capital of Taiwan in whatever form Taiwan has taken for a long time. Taipei was the capital of Taiwan when Taiwan was a prefecture. It was the capital of Taiwan when Taiwan became a province of China. And it is now the capital when Taiwan is an independent country with the Republic of China government. While the Taiwan becoming a national capital in 1949 is certainly worth mentioning, its long history as the capital of Taiwan is also worthy of note. We should try to find a way to work in both pieces of information. Readin (talk) 03:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Beg your pardon, but Taipei was not the capital of Taiwan when it was a prefecture, it was Tainan, which was called Taiwan at the time. Then Taiwan Prefecture was split into two prefectures, the northern prefecture was named Taipei Prefecture with its capital as Taipei (though under a different name then), and the southern remained as Taiwan Prefecture. It wasn't until these prefectures were reorganised as a Province that Taipei became the Capital of "Taiwan". Liu Tao (talk) 07:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes Tainan is the historical capital of Taiwan however, according to Britannica [6], Taipei was made the capital of Taiwan as soon as 1886 when it was upgraded to province status, and it remained so under Japanese rule. That's something that we should indeed mention. Actually, I've just noticed that there's an error in the article - it's written that it was the Japanese who made Taipei the capital, while it was the Qing. Laurent (talk) 20:53, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Taiwan wasn't upgraded to a Province if it was the Prefecture you're talking about. If you are talking about the Prefecture, you can't say it was upgraded, you'd have to say that it along with the Taipei Prefecture was reorganised into the Taiwan Province. The Taiwan Prefecture was renamed Tainan Prefecture, but another prefecture was split from it and named Taiwan Prefecture.

If you want to use the term upgrade, you can only use it for the Taiwan Circuit.

Taiwan after being annexed by the Qing Empire was organised as a Circuit and Prefecture of the Fukien Province. (Qing Administration had 4 levels, Province, Circuit, Prefecture, County). There was a Taiwan Circuit and below that a Taiwan Prefecture. It was the Taiwan Circuit that was upgraded into the Taiwan Province, not the Prefecture. The Prefecture stayed a Prefecture. Liu Tao (talk) 00:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction Liu Tao. I had thought that Taiwan was a single prefecture while part of Japan. It turns out I was wrong.

According to Political divisions of Taiwan (1895–1945) Taiwan was re-organized several times as different numbers of prefectures.

The palace of the Governor-General of Taiwan was in Taipei, but I haven't had much luck finding out anymore than that to say that Taipei was the capital of Taiwan, though it certainly seems logical that it was if the top-ranking official lived there. Readin (talk) 03:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

That's when Taiwan was under the Japanese Administration. I was talking about when Taiwan was under the Qing Administration. Taiwan first became a province under the Qing, not the Japanese nor the RoC. Liu Tao (talk) 06:16, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Official and Native Name in Chinese

Sorry I am not a TW-ese (am mainlander) and am not familiar with the TW-ese way of writing Chinese, but... as far as I know (correct me if needed), the more traditional form of 台 is used by the government, while the 老百姓 use just 台. shouldn't the native name parameter thus be '台北' and not the more complex form? ---何献龙4993 (talk) 18:47, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Both forms are used interchangeably; 臺 isn't just used by the government. People recognize that 臺 is the more "official" one, but might use 台 as well out of convenience or familiarity. -Multivariable (talk) 04:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

... I am a mainlander, so I know very well that both are equivalent. so I guess 台 is used more often amongst 老百姓? thanks for making the attempt to answer the question. ---何献龙4993 (talk) 05:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if I didn't answer the question. Perhaps 台 is more commonly used among 老百姓, but they also use 臺 quite commonly as well. I guess what I'm trying to say is that 臺 isn't a government-only word. A more accurate way to put it would probably be "臺北/台北". -Multivariable (talk) 06:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

not a big deal. this answer is more satisfactory. thanks! ---何献龙4993 (talk) 10:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I dunno about how they do it now, but when I was in elementary school, if you write '台' it's marked incorrect. I'm not sure if they still do that though. Liu Tao (talk) 13:57, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

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[File:Taipeiview.jpg] photo is more representative whole city view 城市風貌/景觀than [File:CKS Memorial Hall Taipei.jpg]photo

This is a entry of taipei city,is not a entry of CKS Memorial Hall , it needn't to emphasize CKS Memorial Hall ,and no need to have two of almost as the same photo in one article,Taipei view photo is more representative whole city viewcompared with CKS Memorial Hall photo .as the same ,we can't to use Mausoleum of Mao Zedong photo to representative Beijing city.Jackac (talk) 08:16, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Minor details..

Minor details, but please add some kind of note that explains that the "new years" referenced in the article is the Lunar New Year, which is somewhat different customs-wise than the western New Years. Also, the concerts are outdoor concerts, primarily. These are minor details, but important details in that the imagery it brings to mind are quite different. Thank you.

• • Transportation-wise it is worth noting that many taxis also accept the EasyCard now.192.33.240.95 (talk) 20:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Problematic Caption for CKS Memorial Hall

The caption reads: "The National Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall is a famous monument, landmark and tourist attractions in Taipei and Taiwan" and contains a grammatically wrong 's' on attraction(s). Also, and much worse for an article on Taipei, is the juxtaposition of Taipei and Taiwan. Taipei is in Taiwan, so the 'and' should be replaced with a ',' (comma). 83.249.134.194 (talk) 17:03, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Nice spotting it, fixed. --Cold Season (talk) 17:13, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Republic of China is a country

Republic of China is a country name , there is no country in asia which call "Republic of China (Taiwan)" , so just stop your Taiwan independence point of view , OK ? do you Understand the mean ? Drinkhappy88990 (talk) 03:58, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for assuming several things that are not true about me. Of course "Republic of China" is the official name, but can you not accept that "Taiwan" is the most common name for it? Is it so wrong to include it if that's what everyone calls it? -Multivariable (talk) 04:04, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Come on, man. THE most common name OF The Republic of China is ROC , It is true , AM I clearly ?Drinkhappy88990 (talk) 04:32, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Really? If you asked a random person what the "Republic of China" is, would they know? How about if you ask them about "Taiwan"? If you did a simple news search of "Republic of China", would anything actually concerning the "Republic of China" come up? Or would you have to search for "Taiwan" to actually find information? Here, let me help you with that: [7] [8]

Also, why are you so concerned about the infobox, but NOT about the first sentence of the article (and many articles) or the discussion to move the "Republic of China" article to "Taiwan"? -Multivariable (talk) 04:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Again , THE most common name OF The Republic of China is ROC,It is true , taiwan is just a island , and that is all, AM I clearly ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drinkhappy88990 (talk • contribs) 06:43, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

No, you clearly don't understand what I'm saying. You should read over the discussion on the Republic of China talk page, otherwise, it's just circular logic with you. -Multivariable (talk) 07:03, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

By your logic, you would also say that the "PRC" is the most common name for the "People's Republic of China". Oh wait... (see China). -Multivariable (talk) 07:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

"PRC" is the most common name for the "People's Republic of China" is true , and THE most common name OF The Republic of China is ROC also is a true. and this is The general public's view. Drinkhappy88990 (talk) 07:31, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

If that's the case, why does the People's Republic of China page redirect to just China? It means that the "People's Republic of China" is not the most common name for the PRC. -Multivariable (talk) 07:40, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Per WP:NC-TW, "Republic of China (Taiwan)" should be fine for the first mention of it in the infobox. -Multivariable (talk) 06:08, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

I have taken a third opinion request for this page and have reviewed the issues thoroughly. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of uninvolved eyes. I have made no previous edits on this page that I am aware of and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. If you feel that my answer is not appropriate, or not thorough enough I may be contacted to add to it, or an additional third opinion may be sought by replacing the {{3O}} template. I hope this reply is of assistance and I am expressly open to feedback, barnstars, kittens, or trout slaps on my talk page! I've got to say I agree with Multivariable. Many people recognize that Taiwan is not the official name, but it's certainly the name most commonly used in English speaking nations. I did a quick Google search and found a ton of references to "more commonly known as Taiwan," or "better known as Taiwan." Sorry, Drink, but I believe you are mistaken on this front.JoelWhy (talk) 13:22, 7 March 2012 (UTC)—JoelWhy (talk) 13:22, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Republic of China (Taiwan) IS a country ,Republic of China ABSOLUTELY IS NOT a country

All TAIWAN OFFICIAL WEB SITES ARE "Republic of China (Taiwan) ",NOT "Republic of China ", See TAIWAN official websites：

• President of the Republic of China (Taiwan)：[9]
• Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Republic of China (Taiwan)：[10]
• Information Office, Republic of China (Taiwan)：[11]
• Central Bank of the Republic of China (Taiwan)： [12]

---Jackac (talk) 12:32, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

And what does this have to do with Taipei? If anything this should have been done at Talk:ROC. JPECH95 03:13, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 March 2012

Events - Havana Pool Parties http://www.froginasock.com.tw/ Susan.li81 (talk) 17:25, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

That looks like an advertisement for a party, so no. -Multivariable (talk) 17:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Agreed. Celestra (talk) 21:04, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Republic of China vs Taiwan as country information

Taipei is the capital of the Republic of China. Recently, Null has repeatedly changed the country name in the info box of this article to "Taiwan". While the Republic of China article has been renamed to Taiwan, that does not constitute any support to change "Republic of China" to "Taiwan" Wikipedia-wide in all articles. The final closing statement on the renaming issue is very clear on this: "This decision explicitly does not include any other articles. While there was some incidental discussion of what impact this move might have on other article's names, there was no consensus determined for that." Hsinhai (talk) 04:09, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

That sentence specifically relates to article names, not the content of articles. The country is commonly known as Taiwan, and Taipei is the capital of the country commonly known as Taiwan. I haven't 'repeatedly' changed anything in this article, I reverted you once. In any case, the process is WP:BRD - you boldly made a change, I reverted you, the next step is to discuss, not to revert again. On the basis that your rationale is flawed, I will restore the naming in a few days unless there is further objection. If you do continue to object, we can resolve this via WP:3O or WP:RFC. – NULL ‹talk›
‹edits› 00:47, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Totally incorrect with regards to explaining BRD. NULL, you are the one who fit into the "boldly make a change (away from the status quo)" description. In any case, even many move supporters agree that article content must be as accurate as possible, and your change isn't at all. GotR ^Talk 00:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

You should read the article history, GotR. I didn't boldly make any change, the only action I took was to revert Hsinhai's change. If you can show me another diff where I changed 'Republic of China' to 'Taiwan' in this article, please do so. Your characterisation of it as being 'my change' is plainly false and the article history very clearly shows this. Perhaps you'd like to withdraw your misplaced hostility? – NULL ‹talk›
‹edits› 01:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not going to make any distinctions between you and Seb az86556. The change to "Taiwan" was enacted first, therefore it is up to Seb az86556 and you to explain your "bold" change. Please do not leave me with no choice but to force truly offensive language. GotR ^Talk 03:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Your choice to escalate the hostility of the situation is yours and yours alone, GotR. I would suggest if you find yourself incapable of discussing the matter calmly, you should consider disengaging from the topic. I'm quite content to discuss the matter in a reasonable and rational fashion. As you can plainly see, 'NULL' and 'Seb az86556' are spelled differently and indeed refer to different editors, so conflating the two of us as some sort of single editor 'collectively' being bold is incorrect. – NULL ‹talk›
‹edits› 03:10, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

You are deflecting and WP:IDIDN'THEARDTHAT. Your side is the one that boldly perturbed the status quo in this article, and that's final. Do I need to go on more and see how much "too simple, sometimes naive" applies to you? GotR ^Talk 20:10, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

The ROC->Taiwan move is what perturbed the status quo of this article, and the subsequent change made by another editor was in response to that. Luckily, WP:NCGN and the upcoming replacement to WP:NC-TW also both support the change. What you personally think is final or not is irrelevant, as is your catchphrase. Decisions don't get made based on whether or not GotR thinks (in his no doubt infinite wisdom) whether someone else or their points are simple or naive. We're fortunately more advanced in our processes than to succumb to rationale that primitive. – NULL ‹talk›
‹edits› 08:03, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Needs more on culture, demographics, economy, climate

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