Talk:General Lee (car)

Confederate flag on Xtreme Lee

but with a slight change, including the Confederate flag.

This is unclear. Was the flag removed? -- Temtem 15:56, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

i agree. changed it after looking at the pics. SaltyPig 02:37, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Temtem 03:27, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

landings

if anybody has definite information about what landing attitude was preferred, please add it to the article. from watching the first 4 seasons (and listening to john schneider's comments), it appears that the flat landings were unquestionably the worst, but i don't have enough sources to add that to the article. SaltyPig 02:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Flat landings were not desired. Rear first landings were preferred, but had drawbacks. The car would often have visable damage after hitting ramp in mid air. The impact would also be more dramtic as the car would usually bend rear down first, then slam the nose into the ground. In the early days they would follow through these jumps (The episodes Carnival of Thrills and Dukes meet Cale Yarborough are classic examples). Later they would cut the landing out and replace it with a small hop landing, or an interior shot of the actors acting like they landed. (jimshine)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimshine (talk • contribs) 23:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't ya'll love the Audio of the horn!

Love the Audio of the horn! Makes my three dogs tilt their head, and one being a hound dog/ American fox hound, starts barking....LOL-Woof ! Scott 18:59, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

HELLO, HILLBILLY MIKE HERE, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN A FAN OF THE SHOW SINCE IT WAS FIRST AIRED ON THE TV, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A HORN LIKE THAT IN MY 1969 GMC PICKUP -(OF WHICH I HAVE BEEN THE PROUD OWNER OF FOR 30 YEARS!)- HILLBILLY MIKE (talk) 15:24, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Someone please fix "History"

This bit from the History section makes no sense:

The cars required the front entire front clip transplant from a 1968-69 car, which was the parts damaged worst in the jumps. Obtaining cars was not an issue until later years. By that time the car was the star of the show and Warner Brothers moved building of the cars in-house to keep the cars consistent in appearance. This is when we see side marker and rear backup lights deleted on 1969 models as well as 1968 (which we see from the start of the show).

It needs to be fixed, but I'm not 100% sure what it's trying to say. Is it refering to a "front clip transplant" or is that supposed to be "front end transplant"? Also. the last sentence is quite hard to make out. First person should probably be avoided, but that aside, it's just hard to tell why something that happens later in the show's run was also seen "from the start of the show". -Harmil 21:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

i'mnot concerned as much about this as i am the fact that author and performer of the theme song is not given his credit...it is always unmistakebly thought to be johnny cash...WRONG!! It is infact Waylon Jennings! and you can take that to the bank...i didn't say Johnny cash never covered the song...but that deep voice that is all to often thought to bo oh so low that it must be the man in black is indeed waylon Jennings. joe howell—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.21.111.137 (talk) 17:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

That piece of trivia is stating that a song about the General Lee on the Dukes of Hazzard soundtrack was performed by Johnny Cash. It was worded incorrectly (said "title song," which of course would actually be "Good Ol' Boys"), so I fixed it.

I just went back and read that part of the article and I must say I am having a hard time trying to figure out what they are trying to say, myself. However, we can assume that by "from the start of the show" they are more than likely implying from the "first scene of the opening of the show," rather than "beginning of the series." Wavy G 19:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

To clarify the points above: Front clip is a term used to describe the exterior sheetmetal of a car. It describes all the components that make up the front of the car. Fenders, hood, grille, bumper, headlights, all of the parts that make up the skin of the car. They had to remove the 1969 and install all of those components on a 1970 (thus transplanting parts from a 1969 to a 1970). Yes, start of the show meaning since the start of the series 1968 Chargers were used. The key component here is to keep out the myth 1970 Chargers were used on the show. (jimshine)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimshine (talk • contribs) 22:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Someone fix Myths section

Where did this come from? It looks like it was directly ripped off of another webpage and very informal compared to a typical Wikipedia article. Klichka 01:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Not exactly sure what you're getting at. You say it looks informal compared to other pages, therefore it must be plagiarized? That doesn't really make much sense. Wavy G 03:19, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

My dad had a real General Lee. I hate to break your heart, but most likely did not. These cars were valuable to WB. After a jump the cars were dismantled of all parts and the roof skin was cut off before being taken to the scrap yard. WB insisted this be done so nobody would attempt to rebuild these cars. The ones that did make it out were some gifts (like Waylon's car), and the cars leftover after the show wrapped up.

I might be wrong, but that looks very much like it was ripped. The writing style is very, very, wrong for a Wikipedia article. It's so wrong that it seems reasonable to question if the person wrote it on their own in utter defiance of the standards or copied it from somewhere else. Klichka 07:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I see what you mean now. That must be a recent addition, because I don't recall seeing it before. Whether it is a copyvio or not, it was all original research and completely unsourced. Not to mention the "I hate to break your heart but..." style writing is not exactly up to Wikipedia standards. I went ahead and deleted the whole section. Thanks for the heads up. Wavy G 08:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Not sure if this is the one I had up a while back or not. Though I built the main body of this page from scratch, I was also adding to it any time I submitted info on web forums or to others web sites. Often I do not get any credit, so it is hard to know what is being stolen and what is truely my own creation. In the future you can be assured anything I add is my own and if it appears elsewhere on the web it is because I shared it with someone else. (jimshine)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimshine (talk • contribs) 22:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

12 notes?

I count only ten. dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun! --froth^{T C} 07:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

No, twelve. Although, thanks for spelling out the notes for us like that. It didn't really help your argument, but it was quite amusing. Wavy G 06:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

haha! you guys crack me up! twelve. end of story. "then - i - wish - i - wa - s - in - the - land - of - cot - ton" GarrettJL 07:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A HORN LIKE THAT IN MY 1969 GMC PICKUP & I KNOW IT WILL SOUND A LOT BETTER THAN THAT! CAN YOU IMAGINE THE LOOKS THAT I WOULD GET FROM THAT? 🤔😁😎 HILLBILLY MIKE (talk) 15:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Expert Review

I'm guessing it's ridiculous B.S., but just thought I'd ask you folks to review a recent addition to Publius Valerius Publicola. -Crimson30 05:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

tiny grammar fix

Just made a little change, in the section about exit and entry, "Nevertheless, there was the odd production mistake in the TV shows, where the doors was actually shown being opened to let Uncle Jesse in." "where the doors was" changed to "where the doors were" to be grammatically correct. Cthon98 22:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

But get people to show you where the doors were mistakenly open on the show (not in behind the scenes pics). They can't do it because it doesn't exist. (jimshine)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimshine (talk • contribs) 22:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

de-italicizing Traveller

While named conveyances are typically italicized (i.e. USS Indianapolis), this rule does not apply to animals. As an equine example: Secretariat. Ribonucleic 16:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Cultural reference?

This was added to the cultural references section:

 *Based on the Korean alphabet, Lee, the 2nd most popular surname 
 is characterized as "이", thus explaining the number "01".

I have a hard time believing that an LA based production company making a southern TV show would be using an obscure korean reference. Does anyone have anything that might show this to have a shred of reality? Improbcat 16:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

That statement is false. They originally wanted it to be #1, but Gy said they all agreed that an "odd" looking number would look better. So they added a zero. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.132.20.157 (talk) 22:14, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

dukesofhazzardhistorian

An anon acount repeatedly removed the link to the lee1 webstie, and added links to a website (dukesofhazzardhistorian.com) and book by the same person. I restored the lee1 link and removed the promo paragraph twice, and it was only with repeated warnings on their user page that they stopped trying to insert it into the article. I even suggested the post the link on this talk page and get people's feedback. Instead they've inserted it as an external link under "Georgia Era Information" (at the top of the list of course). I've poked around the site, and it does have some interesting and unique information, but I'm not sure whether it should be a link here or just considered another "fan site". Thoughts? Improbcat 17:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Improbcat, thank you for restoring the Lee1 site links. There are a few people trying to remove the Lee1 links on a personal agenda. Keep an eye on it as it will likely be changed again. For what its worth, there is only one official Lee1 website, and that is www.generalleeone.com. Though we do use the domain names www.generalleeenterprises.com and theoriginalgenerallee.com, they all forward to www.generalleeone.com. Thanks! [jimshine] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.132.20.157 (talk) 06:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

There was more vandalisim to the Lee1 info that I just fixed. This time changing the verbage in "The Original General Lee". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimshine (talk • contribs) 21:28, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

More bogus information posted with no back up of another car being the first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.203.98 (talk) 07:06, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

remove the ad link

The General Lee Fan Club link at the bottom is the link to an ad page with NO useful info —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.160.241 (talk) 09:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks like an informative site to me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.132.20.157 (talk) 06:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I removed spam for a guy selling General Lee decals. He keeps posting the ad even after many other remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.132.20.157 (talk) 06:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Design

I think the Charger is based on the Barracuda's design, but who's design the General Lee?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.95.20.159 (talk) 05:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

The Charger was not based on the Barracuda. They are two totaly different body classes and were out at the same time. The Charger was born as an upgraded Coronet. Even the era used for the General Lee was ona Coronet B body platform. They attempted to make it a little more aerodynamic for NASCAR.

The General Lee was a group collaboration between the producers (Paul Picard and Phil Mandelker) at WB creating this show, Gy Waldron (the guy who wrote the pilot), and whose movie Moonrunners was the basis, and the transportation department. So it was a group effort with no one person to credit. jimshine—Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.203.98 (talk) 05:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Number of General Lees used

I would think that if there is any doubt about how many Chargers were used in the show's run, Wayne Wooten of the Dodge Charger Registry having a list of the VIN numbers would settle it, no? Tim Riches, Brampton, Ontario (talk) 18:51, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO SAY THAT I AM SORRY TO SEE OR HEAR ABOUT THE SITUATION WITH THE GENERAL LEE, I AM A REAL CAR MAN MYSELF AND I LEARNED TO WORK ON THEM IN MY BACKYARD WHEN I WAS TAUGHT HANDS ON BY MY ELDEST BROTHER AND A FRIEND OF MINE AND MY ELDEST BROTHERS AND WE CALLED HIM:(THE SHADETREE)-& HE CALLED ME AND MY ELDEST BROTHER GREASEMONKEYS, AND I AM PROUD OF WHAT THEY HAVE TAUGHT ME ABOUT CARS!🤔😎 (P.S - I WAS JUST LEARNING TO DRIVE WHEN THEY WERE TEACHING ME TO WORK ON CARS IN MY BACKYARD!)🤔 HILLBILLY MIKE (talk) 15:54, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

AutoTrader Commercial

I've removed the speculative and uncited portion on the AutoTrader commercial that indicates that the "General Lee" text and the flag were removed for the commercial. Besides that they were NOT removed from virtually any shot (camera and lighting tricks were used to not show them), there is no citation for such information. Since there's no citation for the camera/lighting tricks portion, I am not adding that either.

That aside, for anyone who's curious you can watch the BTS video and see the text and flag in various shots (for instance, at 37 seconds and 3:54, under the broken glass hiding the rest of it... 42 seconds, edge of the flag right of "Bo", etc). ROBERTMFROMLI | ^TK/_CN 18:32, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Time crams?

In the Exit and entry section it says "WB stopped welding the doors for time crams". What is a time cram? --Guy Macon (talk) 09:27, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

It is an obvious error, and I just removed it. While it is true that early NASCAR race cars had welded doors and it is true that the show shows the doors being welded, there was no reason to actually weld the doors on the show cars, and you can clearly see that they doors still have the normal gaps. They just pretended that they were welded. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:06, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Someone please fix "History" 2.0

This section is devoted to the history of some of the individual cars used for filming various scenes, but mentions little or no actual history on the character car General Lee. Mention might be made of it's origins, evolved from "Traveller", the name of the main character's stock car in the original 1974 movie "Moonrunners" which all of it was based on. Traveller was a 1955 Chevrolet stock car, which would be of interest to some readers who want to know where the concept for the General Lee came from.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilke339 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Missing citation

This is where there is a missing quotation where it is describing how a roll bar is better without telling the readers why. "this is why only LEE 1 and 2 had full roll cages and all other General Lees only had a roll bar (this made it easier for the actors to get in and out).[citation needed]" So I looked up the difference and found this quote at https://bangshift.com/general-news/tech-stories/roll-cage-roll-bar-vs-roll-cage-show-whats/ "If you are sitting with a group of tubes that are welded together in such a way as to create a “cage” around you, then it’s pretty safe to say that the car you are in has a roll cage. If the tubes don’t create a cage all the way around you, it’s a roll bar" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Runningstarter98 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 19 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Editors don't agree if WP:THE applies. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 06:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

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General Lee (car) → The General Lee – This entry was created as "General Lee (car)" on March 25, 2005, then unilaterally moved to "The General Lee" on January 7, 2006 and then again unilaterally moved back to "General Lee (car)" over five years later, on April 2, 2012. The General Lee currently redirects to General Lee (car), but there has never been an RM to establish consensus. The car appears to be most frequently referenced as "The General Lee" or as simply "The General", rather than as "General Lee". — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:50, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

• Support per WP:COMMONNAME AND WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. Starting an article title with "The" is generally discouraged, but there are cases where it is appropriate. In this particular case, it allows us to use the most common name for the title as well as creating a natural disambiguation to General Lee. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:THE. Sources mostly refer to it as the General Lee, not The General Lee. 162 etc. (talk) 21:49, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

::Since the nomination was not specific in this regard, it should be made clear that while orthography requires the use of initial uppercase "T" within the proposed main title header's "The", mid-sentence links to the car would remain as "the General Lee", while start-of-sentence linking would be likewise active as "The General Lee". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:19, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

That's exactly why the proposed title contradicts WP:THE: If the definite or indefinite article would be capitalized in running text, then include it at the beginning of the Wikipedia article name. Otherwise, do not. 162 etc. (talk) 23:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Exceptions to the general rule are made from time to time, such as the article on The Holocaust. In this particular case, I think being able to use it as a natural disambiguation warrants an exception. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

The reminder regarding WP:THE is most appreciated. I am therefore striking the suggested lowercase option while leaving the original nomination with the uppercase form. For over six years, from January 2006 to April 2012, this article was titled "The General Lee" and the hatnote at its top states, "The General Lee" redirects here. For the song, see The General Lee (song). For other uses, see General Lee.

The song is about the car and, since the song's title retains the uppercase "T" in running text, then intuitively so should the subject of the song — the car itself. Moreover, the argument regarding WP:Natural disambiguation, as pointed out by Rreagan007 is well taken — if the car had been known as simply "General Lee", per the current main title header — General Lee (car), then the song's title would have been simply "General Lee". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. I see no problem with the title as it is. Generally not seen with a capitalised definite article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. I just don't see the evidence that this topic is frequently described in that way. -- Netoholic @ 11:50, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The Car was Destroyed

Unfortunately, the car was destroyed by Ida. PattywhackAW93 (talk) 04:20, 5 September 2021 (UTC)