Talk:The Goon Show

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Morley/Stott

@Humbledaisy: has twice deleted the name Wally Stott, due to their gender change after The Goon Show was produced. I am writing here to determine consensus on whether or not the name should remain in the article. In my perspective, "Wally Stott" was credited with a lot of music in the show, and omitting that name would be confusing to any reader who doesn't know the backstory - they would never have heard something like "music by Angela Morley" in a broadcast. PKT(alk) 17:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree that "Wally Stott" is the credit is at the end of Goon Show episodes and therefore should be mentioned somewhere in this article. I would suggest "incidental music [...] under the direction of Angela Morley (credited as Wally Stott)", unless we have reason to believe that Angela specifically didn't want that name used in credits after her transition, in which case "(credited under another name)" might be appropriate. -- Gaurav (talk) 17:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi PKT, thanks for starting this discussion. Just for the record, I did not twice delete the name as you say - I did it once. It was @KaraLG84: who removed the name before you reinstated it for the first time.

I don’t consider the article more confusing without the name. Her former name was read out at the end of each episode during the credits but she was not one of the primary performers whose voice was heard in the series and so I don’t think there’s likely to be any significant confusion.

Regarding whether Morley specifically didn't want her old name used in credits after her transition, I would point to the “Goon Show Classics” series on BBC Records that began in 1974. Those releases all credit “Angela Morley” on the packaging with no mention of the old name and that was carried through to their later CD issues. Similarly, the 90s “EMI Comedy Classics” Goon Show tapes credit Morley (when they do include a credit). I think this indicates that Morley did not want her Goon Show work to be credited to her old name after her transition. Humbledaisy (talk) 18:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. I have a documentary on CD called ""At Last The Go On Show", which calls her Angela throughout. KaraLG84 (talk) 18:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Humbledaisy is correct about the BBC Records. In the early or mid 1970s, BBC Radio 4 would repeat six or seven Goon Shows each year and my father recorded them on tape (some of which I still have). I learned parts of some of them off by heart, particularly the closing credits which rarely varied. So in about 1986 when I found a number of the BBC Records in my local library, and I borrowed them at the rate of one per week. Some had a familiar show on one side and an unfamiliar one on the other; and reading the record sleeves, I recall being puzzled by the Angela Morley credit on shows that I was certain had the usual closing credits. Who, I wondered, was Angela Morley? I didn't find out for twenty years. On playing them, I found that they all had Wallace Greenslade saying "... the Ray Ellington Quartet and Max Geldray; the orchestra conducted by Wally Stott; script by Spike Milligan ...", exactly as per the radio programmes that I had heard previously. Anyway: I suggest making the text "... under the direction of Wally Stott, who had been ...". This is accurate, per the programme's credits, and leads to the correct article. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)