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- 1 Untitled
- 2 .
- 3 US bias
- 4 Guess Who and CanCon
- 5 the SARS mega-concert in Toronto
- 6 The picture is misleading
- 7 Discography
- 8 Website name [non-]conflict
- 9 Citations & References
- 10 Citations & References
- 11 Ownership
- 12 I have a copy of The Staccatos_The Guess Who
- 13 Would like to expand, fact check and cite
- 14 Beatles RfC
- 15 The Guess Who wasn't from Winnipeg!
- 16 The Guess Who wasn't from Winnipeg!
- 17 Other Guitarists previous bands.
- 18 Guess Who?
The band's name is The Guess Who, not Guess Who. Where the word The is part of a name, whether of a book, newspaper, band or whatever, it stays in the title. Where it is used when talking about something, but isn't actually part of the name it is dropped, eg The Irish Times, the Irish Independent. FearÉIREANN 02:55 26 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I think perhaps we should set up a disambiguation page so as to distinguish between The Guess Who and the Hasbro game Guess Who?. -Branddobbe
I started work on the article's language, but I may have incedentally distorted some facts in my rephrasing. Tyharvey313
the BAND the Guess Who have been around since the early 1960s, the game has only been around since the 80s
I don't know about the connection to The Who either. I think the "Guess Who?" label on "Shakin' All Over" was strictly a gimmick to denote a mystery group.
The Guess Who were referred to as "Guess Who?" for a bit, until it was changed (minus the question mark) to The Guess Who.
I removed the redirect of "Guess Who" page to "The Guess Who", it's now a navigation page to redirect uses to either "The Guess Who" or "Guess Who?
This biography on the Guess Who is awful. It makes it seem as it Burton Cummings was the talent of the band, entirely bias.
I believe that if you check further you will find out that the name "Guess Who?" originally came from a DJ on one of the local AM stations (either CKRC or CKY). The announcer was introducing a new record from Chad Allan and referred to the band as Guess Who? since everyone in Winnipeg knew who they were! The name was changed shortly thereafter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:52, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
The first line shouldn't read that they were the first Canadian rock group to have a number 1 hit in the US.
I think the biography is very accurate. I have nearly all of the band's LPs. One of them has a band history on one side of the album. As for the band's name, that album states, as in the biography, that the "Shakin' All Over" recording was labeled "Guess Who", but DJs introduced the recording as by "The Guess Who Band", or "The Guess Who Group". Over a relatively short time, they became known as "The Guess Who" or just "Guess Who". Burton Cummings WAS the main talent of the band. His powerful, emotionally intense vocals made the band. That is not to say that the other band members lacked talent, they were all talented, but Cummings style is what made The Guess Who The Guess Who. We all know about BTO, but that is a different band with a different sound, and the Guess Who band that performs today is a poor imatation of the band that gained fame with Burton Cummings. It's not bias to state that the band had most of it's success with Burton Cummings as lead singer.
User:TimothyHorrigan: Would being Canadian have been such a huge disadvantage in the mid-1960s? South of the border, it shouldn't have mattered much one way or the other. In Canada itself, it should have been a huge advantage, not just because of cultural chauvinism but also because of Canadian content rules on Canadian radio (which included a few stations such as CKLW with significant US listenership.) Timothy Horrigan 20:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
The "first Canadian rock group" bit is misleading. The Crew-Cuts "Sh'Boom" hit number 1 in the US and are at least arguably rock'n'roll. As to TimothyHorrigan's comments, CanCon rules weren't around in the mid-60s. They didn't come into being until 1971, and that led to a backlash by US stations against Canadian artists. But being Canadian (at least outside of Toronto) was a disadvantage before that as the infrastructure wasn't there, and you wouldn't have a 'home' city to showcase your songs in the US.Skyhawk0 (talk) 13:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Guess Who and CanCon
Canadian content regulations were not enacted until 1972, long after The Guess Who were an established band with many hits. Prior to that, it was difficult (though obviously not impossible) for Canadian bands to break through on Canadian radio, as the Canadian music distribution system was largely controlled by American record companies promoting American or British acts. Canadian bands also had to obtain work visas to tour in the US or the UK, which made things a little more complicated in terms of getting one's international career off the ground. (Partly because work visas would only be granted to musicians of a certain professional stature -- and because it was difficult to get a career started in Canada, it was hard to achieve that stature...)
So yes, being a in Canadian rock band in the 60s put one at somewhat of a disadvantage career-wise. That the Guess Who succeeded and thrived in this environment is a testament to both their work ethic, and to the quality of their music.
the SARS mega-concert in Toronto
Didn't Bachman and Cummings play a memorable set at this huge show? If so, I don't see it mentioned. Shawn in Montreal 16:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Actually, it was just Randy Bachman who played. It was supposed to be a Bachman Cummings show, but for whatever reason, Burton didn't show up. So Randy went on alone.
What's the name of the live guess who album released around 2000 that featured all of the originals for one show? The album is called 'Running Back Thru Canada'. It's actually not all the originals. After the first show, Jim Kale was asked to leave the band, and he was replaced by Bill Wallace (who had also replaced Kale in the 70's). The group was then augmented by another latter day member, Donnie McDougal. These two, along with originals Cummings, Bachman and Peterson, then did a cross-country tour. The album documents the tour.
The picture is misleading
And the current picture is the modern Guess Who, without the two stars. A historic photo at their best would be better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 22:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I created articles for the main studio albums and I'll work on the rest. But the only info I have is track listings, years, and artwork and I'd appreciate if others chipped in on more info for the albums.Sillywebby 18:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Website name [non-]conflict
I was going to point out that the Infobox lists the band's website as "http://www.theguesswhocafe.com/" while the External links lists it as "http://www.theguesswho.com/", but as they both apparently point to "http://www.theguesswho.com/", it doesn't really matter. Typofixer76 (talk) 00:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Citations & References
Citations & References
This isn't written in encyclopedic style at all -- it reads more like an article. It's lacking citations all over the place and uses tonnes of weasel words. Needs work to sound credible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_peacock_terms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources etc. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 02:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm confused by the Soprano's mention/quote:
"Jon Bon Jovi has called Bachman and Cummings Canadian rock 'n' roll royalty, and that together they have more combined hits than the final season of The Sopranos."
Is it supposed to mean that they Bachman and Cummings have more hits than the number of Soprano's episodes in the last season? Or more hits than the final season has received awards? Either way I don't quite get why the Sopranos are mentioned or the relationship. If it's a direct quote from Jon Bon Jovi then perhaps marking it as a quote would help, as would putting in parentheses the actual number of hits?
"hits" as in getting whacked. Ya know - mafia guys shooting each other, ordering a "hit." Presumably, a season of the Sopranos has a lot of guys getting killed (aka whacked or hit) but the Guess Who have even more hits. DragonsDream (talk) 16:57, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
I have a copy of The Staccatos_The Guess Who
The Staccatos appearing courtesy of Capitol Records(Canada) Limited. 2. The Guess Who? appearing courtesy of Quality Records Limited. 3. This record produced in Canada exclusively for Coca_Cola Ltd. by Nimbus 9 Productions Ltd. Toronto and manufactured by RCA Victor Company Ltd. 4. Recorded at Hallmark Studios Toronto.
P.S. Just so you know, This copy has been played a lot. It is not perfect, but it does not skip. I do not know if you care. Here is my contact information, email@example.com 911 Cottingham Road Omemee Ontario Canada K0L 2W0 220.127.116.11 (talk) 06:58, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Would like to expand, fact check and cite
I own a copy of the "American Woman" book. If there are no objections, I would like to use it expand and clean up the sections through 1975, with appropriate citations to the book.
Having listened to him speak about the subject, I think the book's author is not unbiased. Perhaps another source?
Notneils(talk) 17 April 2014: I've read the book, and it's far & away the most comprehensive, accurate, detailed, footnoted & referenced book on the band. The author has written several other books on several other artists, he's a proper professional. I don't think we should get too hung up on vague ideas about bias & objectivity... the author is allowed to have opinions, and to express them (in or out of his book). But if we're after details on dates and persons and events, it's about facts. Just 'cause somebody has expressed an opinion does not mean their facts become suspect, esp when footnoted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Notneils (talk • contribs) 00:20, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
You are invited to participate in an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Beatles on the issue of capitalising the definite article when mentioning that band's name in running prose. This long-standing dispute is the subject of an open mediation case and we are requesting your help with determining the current community consensus. Thank you.--andreasegde (talk) 06:00, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
The Guess Who wasn't from Winnipeg!
This is just a short bit from someone who knows and from living in the same time period as The Guess Who... they weren't from Winnipeg they started in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada!! That's it, noting fancy no foot notes....I was just there. LM Lacombe Lloydminster, AB/SK
The Guess Who wasn't from Winnipeg!
This is just a short bit from someone who knows and from living in the same time period as The Guess Who... they weren't from Winnipeg they started in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada!! That's it, noting fancy no foot notes....I was just there. LM Lacombe Lloydminster, AB/SK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:42, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
- You're wrong. Sorry. There are TONS of authoritative citations and definitive first-person accounts from the band members that prove that all the original members of The Guess Who are from Winnipeg; that they began their career there; and that they were based out of Winnipeg for many years. The band certainly played in cities in Saskatchewan many times, and circa 1966 (five years *after* their recording career started) they spent time in Regina and Saskatoon gigging fairly extensively. But The Guess Who were definitely, unquestionably, and beyond any scintilla of a doubt, a band from Winnipeg -- whether you were 'just there' or not! 22.214.171.124 (talk) 21:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Other Guitarists previous bands.
The article mentions Kurt Winter's previous band Brother, but makes no mention of Donny McDougal's band Mother Tucker's Yellow Duck, or Domenic Troiano's band Bush, which was followed by a stint with the mark 2 lineup of The James Gang. http://therockasteria.blogspot.com/2013/08/mother-tuckers-yellow-duck-home-grown.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_%28Canadian_band%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:AF80:5D00:A8BD:BBEA:E083:921 (talk) 21:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
I have a 1965 aircheck of Casey Kasem on KRLA in California. He announced the single "Shakin' All Over" as being done by The Guess Who Group from England! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 20:59, 3 July 2015 (UTC)