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A fact from Lampaansyöjät (film) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 June 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the 1972 Finnish film The Sheep Eaters gathered more than a million viewers opposite the 1975 Ice Hockey World Championships match between Finland and the Soviet Union?

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The result was: promoted by Launchballer talk 18:03, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the 1972 Finnish film The Sheep Eaters was shown on television at the same time as another channel was broadcasting 1975 Ice Hockey World Championships match between Finland and the Soviet Union, and still the film gathered more than a million viewers?

Source: https://elonet.finna.fi/Record/kavi.elonet_elokuva_101068?lng=en-gb

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Created by Juustila (talk).

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Juustila (talk) 13:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Hook is way too long per WP:DYK200. Please shorten it.--Laun chba ller 13:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ...that the Finnish film Lampaansyöjät was shown on TV while another channel was showing an Ice Hockey World Championships match between Finland and the Soviet Union, but still gained over million views?Source: https://elonet.finna.fi/Record/kavi.elonet_elokuva_101068?lng=en-gb
Juustila (talk) 02:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

194 characters. Full review needed.--Laun chba ller 17:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New, long, hook verified (though I'd trim the hook more). A couple concerns:
- Copyright violation is an issue even in translation. Unless Elonet's text is in the public domain, the first two paragraphs of the Production section/second paragraph of Filming are much too close and should be rewritten.
- Why is the article not titled Lampaansyöjät (film)? None of the sources seem to use that English name, nor do databases like IMDb. I suggest moving it to the Finnish title unless English sources actually use the translated version.
- Smaller note, the article mentions a 2019 TV presentation without having introduced it.

Hameltion (talk | contribs) 22:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Juustila: any progress on the issues raised in the review? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hameltion and Theleekycauldron: Sorry, I've been a bit busy. I've moved the article to use the Finnish name and made a few changes to the languages of the production section just in case. Only I need more detailed information on how to define that last note about the 2019 television presentation. Juustila (talk) 02:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Juustila: Good start. For the TV thing, just add a mention of it to the Release section to explain why it was getting new reviews. Also: Replace The Sheep Eaters with the Finnish title throughout the body, and the paragraph that begins The Finnish Film Foundation granted is also apparently a direct translation and doesn't totally make sense at that. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hameltion: Done. For the time being, I removed that section about the TV presentation from the article because it started to raise even more questions even for myself. I'll have to see if I can come back to it sometime in the future, but now this can go without it. Juustila (talk) 02:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Juustila and Hameltion: As written, the Production section would deserve {{too many sections}}, these should be merged. Also, the hook could be trimmed much further to ALT0a: ... that the 1972 Finnish film The Sheep Eaters gathered more than a million viewers opposite the 1975 Ice Hockey World Championships match between Finland and the Soviet Union?--Laun chba ller 10:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Launchballer: Well, AirshipJungleman29 already had time to do something about that section thing, so let's put your suggestion to ALT2, shall we?

ALT2: ...that the 1972 Finnish film The Sheep Eaters gathered more than a million viewers opposite the 1975 Ice Hockey World Championships match between Finland and the Soviet Union? Source: https://elonet.finna.fi/Record/kavi.elonet_elokuva_101068?lng=en-gb
Juustila (talk) 02:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 is the same as ALT0a, which in turn is a reworded version of ALT0, which I could approve myself.--Laun chba ller 02:21, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]