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Is this true?

History and current events never were my best subjects, but this surprised me:

On the 22nd of January 1968 a B-52 crashed 7 miles south of the Air Force Base. Nuclear bombs were lost and debris scattered over the area in the accident.

Is that true? Hmm, I felt compelled to do research, and found this. Huh.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewisetutor (talk • contribs) 09:07, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Thule as Greenland?

Can someone find a citation for Thule being identified with Greenland? I do not believe this suggested identification was made until the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. And, besides, the ancient Greeks were unaware of Greenland (and probably Iceland, too).

No -- Iceland is Thule. 85.220.100.204 (talk) 00:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

No -- Estonia is Thule. Sorent (talk) 02:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

No -- Icelans IS Thule. 85.220.104.184 (talk) 03:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

No-- Read the article on Pytheas of Massilia. It explains there why Greenland is unlikely to have been Thule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewisetutor (talk • contribs) 09:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Foreign relations of Greenland

While it's obvious which meaning it refers to, could someone make the link from foreign relations of Greenland make sense? (to summarize: why is Thule a sensitive area in Greenland's foreign relations?) Tuf-Kat

Richard Burton

Ultima Thule was the title of one of Sir Richard Burton's books.

According to a theory first proposed by Lennart Meri, it is possible that Saaremaa was the legendary Ultima Thule, first mentioned by ancient Greek geographer Pytheas, whereas the name "Thule" could have been connected to the Estonian language word tule ("(of) fire") and the old folk poetry of Estonia, which depicts the birth of the crater lake in Kaali, Saaremaa. Cheers, --3 Löwi 20:06, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Nazism

How come this is under category "Nazism"? Just wondering.

Thule would belong under category "Nazism" for the Thule Society, a forerunner of the Deutsche Arbeiter Partei, later NSDAP. The Society believed that the Aryan race originated from Thule, and that it was still possible to contact the inhabitants there, endowed with great occult powers, in order to conclude a pact with them. Under reference Richard E Byrd I made a reference to the Thule found by Pytheas, since it is an outside possibility that if the inhabited Arctic Thule exists, then it may have its counterpart in the Antarctic, and he may have found it. Geoffreybrooks 19 June 2006.

Thule, the Period of Cosmography

The text on the page is described as a poem, and appears in The Oxford Book of Short Poems (see reference on main page). It's also familiar to me as a madrigal by Thomas Weelkes; madrigal texts frequently appear in collection of poetry, and the inclusion of the text from the Andalucian Merchant (the second part of Weelkes' two-part madrigal) makes me suspect that the madrigal, rather than a piece of poetry without accompanying music, is the source for the text that appears in the book. If anyone has a copy of The Oxford Book of Short Poems, could they please check attribution? The date I found for the madrigal and the dates posited for the poem coincide, and it would be interesting to see which came first! Squeezeweasel 12:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The attribution in The Oxford Book of Short Poems is exactly as in the article, in a section titled "Anonymous printed 1599-1610" with no further information. It looks like your info may be better than that in the Oxford book. JMiall 00:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been to the library, and the Grove Dictionary of Music attributes the words as well as the music to Weelkes, and narrows the date down to 1600. I've made the relevant changes. Please note I've changed the section heading as well - 1600 is a bit late for the heading 'Middle Ages'. (I'm updating the Weelkes page as well.) Squeezeweasel 15:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Thule as possibly related to the word thyle

If 'thule' was considered a name for Iceland, I wonder if it were called "thule" do to its form of goverment being an assembly, or 'thing' run by speakers, or "thulr" aka thyle. I've always wondered about a connection between these two words. Nagelfar 12:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Must be a concidence. The Icelandic "althing" was formed in 930 C.E.---over a thousand years after Pytheas's use of the word "Thule." The Norse and Icelandic word "thyle" (wiseman or sage or speaker, whence "thing" and "althing"), is not recorded earlier than about this same time.

It needs an etymology section and there are quite a few etymologies. I suppose the best one would be of the name of the region most likely to have been the original Thule. At this point it appears to be of Telemark. Thy I've read is possibly related to Teuton. The problem with Thule as Iceland is, in the time of Pytheas no one but natives were there. That doesn't mean "thing" is not Thule, as it was an import from Scandinavia. What can I say? At some point I will take the best couple of hats from the ring and see if they fit. More can't be done. Right now it seems to me there is just too much emphasis on the ends of the earth tradition to be all from Pytheas so I will be looking at the "end" etymology. You can too! I haven't done it seriously yet but I just wanted to say you probably aren't going to find "the" etymological secret to the whole thing, like the supposed Da Vinci code. There are a lot of writers who just like you have said, "gosh maybe it is x" where x is an interesting idea that popped up. Maybe it will take 254 years just to try x out on any interested audience. We can of course only use etymologies someone else has proposed.Dave (talk) 03:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I might note that the late fourth century BC is at least not improbably early for a Germanic etymology (Proto-Germanic being dated to the mid or late first millennium BC, and probably to be sought somewhere in or not too far away from Denmark), and if Thule was really in Norway, a Germanic etymology is attractive, as it seems likely that there were already speakers of Proto-Germanic or something close to it there. The semantic part would seem to possibly fit, either. So, why not? Better than the Estonian etymology, in any case (if only for geographical reasons). What I'm saying is that the suggestion makes sense in principle, which isn't a given. However, note that the original meaning and etymology of Old Norse þulr = Old English þyle < Proto-Germanic *þuliz is itself obscure, see pp. 71–77. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:27, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

As for Iceland, I have no idea what you mean with "natives", Dave. Native animals? Iceland is not thought to have been settled by humans so early. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:30, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Portal icon placement

FYI, you can add a link to Portal:Norway in this article, by placing {{Portal|Norway}} at the top of the see also section (or the external links section if the article has no see also section). This will display

Cirt (talk) 09:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Thule problem with lead

It is easy to read the lead as though it is discussing 'where is Thule', rather than what locations (plural) may have been meant by the use of the word by different authors and at different times. Doug Weller (talk) 13:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I know, Doug - the problem is, as soon as you start bringing all these other definitions in you are plumb in the middle of the article. Most of the literature on it began by someone asking "where was the Thule of Pytheas?" I'm inclined not to play with the intro but if you want to expand it a little - a little I say - in the direction you just mentioned, I for one will understand.Dave (talk) 03:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The big note

The note should be there, no doubt. It does save space. But, it attempts too much. None of these people are actually cited. One answer is to put the refs in a bibliography section. This means they all have to be looked up and cited. There's no easy path to excellence. I can do one once in a while. If you feel inclined to help, please do.Dave (talk) 10:24, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Talk page move

I recently moved the above discussion from Talk:Thule (disambiguation). I feel the reasons are obvious as to why it better belongs here, but if there is some concrete reason to object, please discuss it here. Regards, ClovisPt (talk) 17:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Polybius and his measurement of Britain

The statement at the beginning of Ancient Geography that "[Pytheas] has led many people into error by saying that he traversed the whole of Britain on foot, giving the island a circumference of forty thousand stades" seems to be there without explanation. Presumably it's there to illustrate Polybius' lack of trustworthiness on his statements about Thule but without knowing how long a stadia is or what the circumference of Britain is in stadia it has no impact.

I worked out that Britain has a "circumference" of about 80,000 stadia. This comes from a 12,500km coastline and 157m per stadia. Given that using the length of Britain's coastline as an approximation of circumference would tend to exaggerate our calculation and that Pytheas was measuring the length by foot, being off by a factor of two really doesn't seem that bad.

--Schwern (talk) 01:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Founding date

I have corrected the founding date which was incorrectly put as 1919. This may be the date on their emblem but all sources put the actual date as August 18th 1918. I provided one reference but can add many more if the change is in dispute.Mrfh (talk) 04:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Upgrade of importance.

I disagree with wikipedia classing this article as mid-ranking importance. The quality of thee article may not allow it to have high importance, yet the subject is vital- Thule was the first name in recorded history given to Scandanavia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewisetutor (talk • contribs) 09:05, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Five days from Orkneys?

The Latin quote on the five days' voyage from the Orkneys somehow misses the word "five". Have only cursory acquaintance with Latin, though... 217.144.100.18 (talk) 05:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting this - now fixed. Ben Mac Dui 08:10, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

''Problem Posting Material''Bold text The system accepted a small portion of my material. Then it set the rest, with the remainder of the section, in a massive elongated block extending far off screen to the right and which thus cannot be read either in preview or when posted. What is the reason for this block?Geoffreybrooks (talk) 16:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

No idea, but it was badly sourced and pov and I've reverted it, with a quote from Jensma. The Oera Linda is a literarya hoax. Dougweller (talk) 18:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thule Society and Liebenfels

This article includes the following passage:

According to its emblem, the Thule Society was founded on August 18, 1918. It had close links to the Deutsche Arbeiter Partei (DAP), later the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP, the Nazi party). One of its three founding members was Lanz von Liebenfels (1874–1954).

However, the assertion that Lanz von Liebenfels was one of the founders of the Thule Society is not supported by anything in Wikipedia's Lanz von Liebenfels article or Thule Society article. Unless someone has a reliable source on this, I will remove this claim from the Thule article, along with the latter part of the paragraph it's in, since the latter part of this paragraph is irrelevant if this initial claim is false. — Lawrence King ^(talk) 03:34, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

How in the FUCK is it pronounced

Tell me how

In English it is pronounced /ˈθjuː.liː/ or /ˈθuː.liː/. --2.218.112.149 (talk) 23:37, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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Thule / Tile Found?

A friend and myself study old maps and we came across the map with Tile on it. Which led us to search for it. If it was indeed a real place, we are 99% positive we have found it! I wish I could place screen shots here. Ricki Sinn (talk) 02:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Thule....

The "Tile" map that is used for the article has but nothing to do with the Orkneys. I once made it from a bigger map, and it shows Bornholm... The context comes clear if you compare the island shape to Bornholm and analyze the surrounding "monsters" semiotically.

Well wishes, Alienne Laval, Magistra PhD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.109.130 (talk) 15:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Thule is between the Orkneys and the Faroe Islands on the Carta Marina; --2A01:CB08:890E:C600:6C02:55B7:CD83:2A0 (talk) 22:02, 29 November 2021 (UTC)