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Good Salt bio http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/IRsalt.htm This URL no longer works (22 September 2024). Try https://spartacus-educational.com/IRsalt.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Les Brook 1944 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tea Totaler

Was Titus Salt anti-alcohol? Jake b 19:26, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No he was not a tea totaler. In fact he had his own collection of wines. He was of the opinion that public houses promoted trade unions!!

Source http://muninn.york.ac.uk/trails/salvation.html

84.65.73.49 00:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)S.Hopper84.65.73.49 00:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that page doesn't seem to mention him now, so I've amended it to 'there is no evidence' that he did not drink, but that he did forbid 'beerhouses' (but I've removed the motive, as unsourced). --ColinFine 00:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rodda smoke burner

This is now the only red link in the page - and Google can't find any reference to it except in connection with Titus. It isn't mentioned in the Dictionary of National Biography piece on him. Any ideas, anyone? PamD 19:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is from the UNESCO Nomination document for Saltaire as a World Heritage Site (NOMINATION OF SALTAIRE VILLAGE FOR INCLUSION IN THE WORLD HERITAGE LIST). "In 1842, he fitted all his factories with the Rodda Smoke Burner, which produced relatively little pollution." I also have an 1840s letter to the press lauding Salt for installing smoke burners - but I can't find it! Les Brook 1944 (talk) 16:41, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That letter to the press... Lost and found, 5 November 2024... On 20 January 1849, the Halifax Guardian reported a letter sent by James Bilton to the Bradford Observer. In summary, the letter said that Titus Salt had "recently fixed apparatus to his mills" (specifically those in Union Street and Nelson Street) to ensure "the effectual consumption of smoke". The experiment was a success. Rodda smoke burners are not named but I am not aware of other smoke burners. Note that the date of the installation recorded here is some years after 1842. That does not discount the earlier date of course.Les Brook 1944

Google Books has a few mentions of Rodda's invention if you search with - Rodda smoke consumption OR furnace - Pollyflinders234 20:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken it out - it's not mentioned in any of the books I've consulted. Feel free to reinstate it if anybody can find a good source. --ColinFine 00:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

The article says "The entry on Saltaire discusses the extent to which he was motivated by religion.", but that doesn't seem to be true at present! PamD 19:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article doesn't say that now (I didn't remove it - somebody else had). --ColinFine 00:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stub

I think the article is approaching the point where it isn't a stub any more. --ColinFine 00:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

EL removed and reinstated

See User talk:Peacockpie for discussion. PamD (talk) 18:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Family's reaction

I have removed the following text, which User:Paraphrased had added from http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/IRsalt.htm: "Although he had been an extremely rich man, his family was horrified that his fortune was gone. It has been estimated that during his life he had given away over £500,000 to good causes."

I am dubious about both parts of this claim, as I detail below, and I can find no references whatever in the schoolnet page. I am inclined to conclude, therefore, that it is not a reliable source.

The total of his philanthropy: Balgarnie says (chapter XIV) "It is believed that they amounted to about a quarter of a million sterling". Barlo & Shaw give a modern estimate (Appendix 5) of the total of his "identified benevolences" as £139 000. While they accept that the true value will be more than this, nowhere does £500 000 appear.
The family's reaction: Barlo & Shaw say (in Appendix 3): "Salt's will made substantial provisions for the several family members", such as £100 000 to each of the sons who were not involved in the business, and £80 000 to each of the daughters. While this does not categorically disprove the claim above, it is hard to square them together.

I have therefore removed the text. --ColinFine (talk) 18:27, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rodda smoke burner again

I see that this has been restored to the article, with a reference to the spartacus site. As I mentioned in the previous section, I have reason to doubt the reliability of this site, and Google searches for Rodda smoke burner all seem to derive from either this site or the Wikipedia article. I don't doubt that the smoke burner existed - as User:Pollyflinders234 says above, Google books finds several references - and it is quite believable that Salt advocated it. But I have yet to see a reliable source. Neither Balgarnie nor Holroyd mentions it. --ColinFine (talk) 13:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spartacus is a reliable source for facts and figures - see response at the reliable sources noticeboard. Simkin is a recognised author of this kind of thing. See also Wards book of days - I think I have Styles somewhere in the house, and will check to see if he mentions it. However, I do have a source - [1] Citation for the book is <ref>{{cite book|last=Skinner|first=Julia|title=Bradford: A Miscellany|year=2006|publisher=The Francis Frith Collection|url=http://mobile.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/features/featuresanalysis/1026434.All_part_of_Bradford_s_rich_tapestry/|edition=First}}</ref> I haven't an ISBN for the 2006 paperback. The hardback was reprinted in 2008 and turns up at resellers occasionally.

If anyone wants to write an article on the gadget itself, [2] is a good link, but doesn't mention Salt.

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REFERENCES

This section includes Sir Titus Salt, and George Moore. My intention is to revise the section, but for the minute, I'm logging here that this volume's content on Salt is a clone of Balagarnie's classic biography, SIR TITUS SALT, BARONET: HIS LIFE AND ITS LESSONS. BY REV. R. BALGARNIE. Les Brook 1944 (talk) 16:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Titus Salt's gifts of lifeboats

Recently, I deleted text about TS's gift of a lifeboat to South Wales. I did so because the gift was made by TS's son, Titus Jr. Here are two newspaper cuttings that evidence this: The Morning Post (London) Thursday, November 26, 1868 Potter's Electric News - Wednesday 02 December 1868 Les Brook 1944 (talk) 16:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]