Talk:Treaty of Lambeth

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Kingston or Lambeth?[edit]

On different parts of this website, it is suggested separately that a) there was one treaty, known as the treaty of Kingston or the treaty of Lambeth, and b) there were two treaties, the treaty of Kingston followed by ratification at the treaty of Lambeth.

Which is correct?

My own source (The Oxford History of England vol. IV, "The Thirteenth Century") makes no mention of a Treaty of Lambeth, and goes into the Treaty of Kingston in depth. The last revision of my book was in 1968 though, so I presumed that the term "the Treaty of Lambeth" had gained common currency over the Kingston nomenclature.

However, I am uncertain. It is possible that the material I have added should be copy-pasted into a new page for the Treaty of Kingston, and the old page should be restored and edited slightly. RJ Gordon (talk) 09:46, 20 January 2008 (UTC)


Of the three books I have read on the subject only Powicke refers to the treaty of Kingston. The other two refer to the Treaty of Lambeth. Powicke is the more recent source, but is he the most reliable ? The accounts are quite different.

  • James H. Ramsay "The Dawn of the Constitution: Or, the Reigns of Henry III and Edward I (A.D. 1216-1307)" Oxford University Press, 1908
  • Maurice Powicke "The Thirteenth Century, 1216-1307 (Oxford History of England)" Clarendon Press, 1962
  • H. W. C. Davis "England under the Normans and Angevins, 1066-1272" Methuen, 1905.

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