Talk:Trinidad and Tobago v United States (2018 FIFA World Cup qualification)

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This article was nominated for deletion review on 7 May 2020. The result of the discussion was Overturn to no consensus.

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@KingSkyLord: - the current title is highly unusual. Score is almost never the correct disambiguator to be used for a match. You mentioned in earlier moves that the US & Trinidad played each other at another time during the qualifications, but that game doesn't have an article, correct? So there's no disambiguation needed. The article should just be moved back to Trinidad and Tobago v. United States (2018 FIFA World Cup qualification) per standard disambiguation, with a hatnote for this other match if you really feel it's necessary. Alternatively, use some form of disambiguation that isn't the score - Trinidad and Tobago v. United States soccer match (October 10, 2017) or the like. Thoughts? SnowFire (talk) 06:31, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think the title is fine as is. It isn't the only match that ended 2–1 for Trinidad, but it also isn't the only 2018 World Cup qualification match played between Trinidad and the USA. I think it's the best compromise we have right now as it's not too ambiguous but also not too specific. Also, we traditionally don't use "v.", we use "v", and even if we did move back, it could misinterpreted different ways. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 00:57, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- What kind of misinterpretation? If you mean the other match, again, a hatnote like "for the match played on 8 June 2017, see 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification – CONCACAF Fifth Round#Matches" would suffice. Which I doubt would see much use anyway. I just mean that as a matter of article titling, the score should almost never goes in the article title, so any other disambiguator, if really necessary, would be preferred IMO. Even really famous scores like Brazil v Germany (2014 FIFA World Cup). SnowFire (talk) 07:52, 21 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 June 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved as proposed. (closed by non-admin page mover) Mdaniels5757 (talk) 21:15, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Trinidad and Tobago 2–1 United States (2018 FIFA World Cup qualification) → Trinidad and Tobago v United States (2018 FIFA World Cup qualification) – Remove unneeded score disambiguator, which is highly disfavored anyway. I'd move this as uncontroversial but it's been moved back to the current title twice, so maybe a full discussion is warranted. The argument for including a disambiguator seems to be that there was another match between these teams, but that not particularly notable match doesn't have its own Wikipedia article, so it's no disambiguation issue, and can easily be addressed with a hatnote anyway to 2018 FIFA World Cup qualification – CONCACAF Fifth Round#Matches. SnowFire (talk) 19:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@KingSkyLord, J4lambert, and Puddleglum2.0:, who did earlier moves. Note that if my above proposed title has issues, I would also support a move to basically any other alternative title that doesn't use score-as-disambiguator, e.g. using date or the like instead (October 10, 2017). SnowFire (talk) 19:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support I personally find the current title to be unnecessarily long and convoluted, I support your proposal as is. Cheers -- puddleglum^2.0 19:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support No need to have the score line as a disambugator. Bingobro (Chat) 05:41, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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