Talk:Unicorns (cricket team)

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Did you know... that Unicorns, an unpaid English cricket team made up of out-of-contract professionals and aspiring youngsters, was created to take part in the 2010 Clydesdale Bank 40 competition?

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:47, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unicorns cricket team → Unicorns (cricket team) — "cricket team" is not part of the team's name. They are simply known as "Unicorns". However, since moving this article to Unicorns would be inappropriate, adding "cricket team" in parentheses as a disambiguator seems to be the only logical solution. – Pee Jay 20:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure. I thought the way I did it was sort of WP:CRIC consensus (for other countries at least - I've checked the SA teams (e.g.Western Province and Boland) and just assumed that that was the format, rather that the use of the actual team name. Maybe wrong though. I've posted it at WT:CRIC to get some more eyes.—MDCollins (talk) 00:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support in fact. Other domestic teams are set at their 'brand name' Otago Volts, New South Wales Blues, rather than Otago cricket team. As Unicorn already exits (or does it?! :) ) Unicorns (cricket team) seems suitable for me. SGGH ^ping! 23:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Article queries arising from multiple sources[edit]

I've got a couple of queries (commented out in the article)

Concerns the squad. The Cricinfo squad page has 21 players (including Greenidge and Burton who have withdrawn) which are presumably the 21 originally registered/declared for the competition. However, Jonathan Miles played in both warm-up games (had the two previously withdrawn by this point?) and so is he legitimately in the squad? For a squad of 21 to feature somebody else is a little strange.
The formation of the Clydesdale Bank competition. Ireland declined to compete, thus leaving a space. I assumed that Unicorns was created to fill that gap, but one source says that the Netherlands took Ireland's place. If so, can anyone find a reference regarding the initial mandate for the competition or it's proposed format that includes the ECB Recreational XI (which became Unicorns)?
Is there an official website that hasn't been found by Google yet?!!

Thanks guys, —MDCollins (talk) 00:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

for 3. I couldn't find one for either the team or the competition. SGGH ^ping! 00:47, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

3. Just found the official logo (presumably) here - fair use? Official competition website?—MDCollins (talk) 00:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For 2, here are two articles from my CricketEurope colleague Rod Lyall - firstly, one indicating that "The Netherlands would be squeezed out by Ireland, Scotland and a side comprising club cricketers from England and Wales." [1] and another headlined "Irish withdrawal gives Dutch their Pro40 chance". [2] Andrew nixon (talk) 06:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The incorrect claim that the Unicorns replaced Ireland is still in the article (the Dutch replaced Ireland). I'd remove it myself but am off to work now. Andrew nixon (talk) 06:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Done it.—User:MDCollins (talk) 10:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. I'm hoping to be going to the Lancashire v Unicorns match at Old Trafford in July, so I'll try and get a couple of photos. Andrew nixon (talk) 11:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll add in a few more pictures over the next few days/weeks from the Somerset match, definitely got one of Querl, and some not great ones of O'Shea and Thompson too.. Harrias ^talk 11:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re:1, CI still hasn't updated the squad lists; I wonder who the other extra member was (alongside Miles) who replaced Greenidge and Burton...—User:MDCollins (talk) 10:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Squad List[edit]

I think we could be running into a problem with the squad list. It appears that (recently anyway), Unicorns have been calling up players as necessary for latter matches, obviously some are being released/signed up - the squad list is quite difficult to maintain now. There are no real sources as to who has replaced whom, Ed Young was obviously called up for a couple of games, then signed for Gloucestershire and played in the CB40 a week later. Not sure what to propose - soon the initial squad will be irrelevant anyway. It may depend on what happens next year. If the team continues, a split into season articles would be more appropriate, and would allow stats in the squad tables - how many games/runs etc. Therefore the 2010 season article could note the initial 21, (plus the 2 that quit) and then have an "others section", or just merge them all together.

Thoughts please,

—User:MDCollins (talk) 10:12, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think if the team continues next year (which is probably going to happen considering their successes this year, and the amount of the players that have been picked up – I personally would prefer the best team from the Minor Counties be promoted to play in the competition, but never mind!) then splitting the article into seasons would be the most logical, with an overall page describing the point of the team, history, and probably that season's squad? Not sure if that tallies up with your idea? Harrias ^talk 11:30, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much yeah. Let's keep an eye on the squad for the remainder of this season - then see about splitting it after that. As it stands, we only have 20 players I believe now Young has come and gone - so a new one may be added before long. I had a feeling that Durston was still going to be available but that may have changed now. Are there any from the original 21 that haven't played but still get overlooked?—User:MDCollins (talk) 11:48, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Durston initially just signed with Derbys for the Twenty20, but following his good performances, he moved completely, making him available for Derbyshire in all three formats, thus not able to play for Unicorns. As I understand it anyway! Harrias ^talk 12:10, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]