Talk:United States Armed Forces

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Source?[edit]

Military manpower - availability: males age 15-49: 70,502,691 (2000 est.)
Military manpower - fit for military service: males age 15-49: 2,056,762 (2000 est.)

Where did this come from? I doubt that only 2.85% of the 15-49 population is fit for military service. Somewhere on the order of 80 - 90% would be more like it. When I have seen stats like these used, it is in order to give an idea of what the nation could conceivably be capable of, if worse came to worse. Possibly this is meant as a guide to how many could be diverted from the civilian economy without causing serius problems? Dobbs 14:53 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC)

Originally it came from the CIA factbook but I don't know how they derive the numbers. They do seem odd, don't they? --rmhermen
Found it. World Factbook lists fit for military service as N/A. Reaching military age annually is 2,039,414 (2001 est.) - that's what it is, I'll change it. Dobbs 15:51 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC)

Citation now restricted?[edit]

One of the citations (#5), is now behind a pay-to-view restriction, and there's no (free) way to view the source for the claim. What's to be done in this case? If it is required that anyone who wants to verify needs to pay to see the information, what's to stop me from citing a bunch of things and generating money from the wikipedia community of fact-checkers? Or is this how I'm to finance my lavish lifestyle? :D
Moisés Naím. "Megaplayers Vs. Micropowers". ( http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3476 ) Retrieved 18 December 2007.
~ender 2009-09-09 10:48:AM MST

The budget of the Armed forces actually needs to be looked up.[edit]

The current budget that has been posted on the page are budgets that were given to the Department as a whole during 2015. Except the armed forces is actually a branch of the Department of the defense. There are other organizations within the Department of defense that are included in the Department of Defense's budget. One of those organizations is DARPA which accounts for $2.97 Billion. So we need to actually look at the specific amount allotted to the armed forces if we want to include the budget in this article other wise we should delete because currently it is misleading and wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LasPo rocks (talkcontribs) 07:36, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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Military Historical Record Has An Error...[edit]

In many places, Wikipedia has competing and/or incomplete information about our military branches. It is widely known that the Continental Army is not the oldest continuously established (as it exists today) branch of the U.S. military. The Continental Army is not the current United States Army. It is well known that President Washington and other founding fathers were worried about having a very large standing army existing inside the homeland so, the Continental Army was disbanded after the cessation of hostilities during the period. This information concerning the seniority of the current branches of the military is supported right here in Wikipedia.

As someone who served in the Marine Corps color guard for several years I witness the placement of colors in formation based on the order of their seniority. Everyone one knew this. Everything in the military has ceremonial and historic significance attached to it and that is the proof you use to substantiate the seniority of the branches. Counter arguments and supporting data welcomed. [Ref: http://www.revwar75.com/ob/newburgh.htm] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thinklogik (talkcontribs) 19:20, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

One man's opinion... For another very well researched opinion on this matter please see Millett's excellent history of the Marine Corps "Semper Fidelis". Page 24 indicates that the last Continental Marine left the service in September 1783 when the last Continental Navy vessel, Alliance was authorized to be sold by Congress.[1] Both the Navy and Marine Corps ceased to exist at that time. However, your own source and some others state that one regiment of the Army remained active to guard the western frontier and some Army artillerymen remained at West Point to guard the armory there. Additionally, Millett states that the Frigate Act of 1794 provided for the organizational structure of the six frigates authorized under the act. Each frigate would be authorized one detachment of Marines with one officer and between 44 and 54 enlisted to serve as ship's guards.[2] On 11 July 1798, in response to the Quasi-War with France, Congress finally passed "An Act for establishing a Marine Corps" that organized the Department of the Navy's Marines as a "Corps of Marines". The modern Marine Corps dates from that act.[3]
There are always going to be discussions about "Who is the Oldest". This issue was put to rest by the Department of Defense years ago. Each person that served with a particular armed service is justifiably proud of their armed service's history. Wikipedia articles on the U.S military order of precedence reflect the Department of Defense order of precedence in it's articles and these are referenced.Cuprum17 (talk) 23:00, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Citations
  1. ^ Millett, p 24
  2. ^ Millett, p 27
  3. ^ Millett, p 28
References used
  • Millett, Allan R. (1991). Semper Fidelis: The History of the United States Marine Corps (revised and expanded ed.). New York City, New York: The Free Press, MacMillan. ISBN 0-02-921595-1. 

Dated graphic[edit]

The graphic File:Active duty end strength graph.png is 13 years out of date. I looked at the editor who created it, but they haven't been active since 2013. It would be nice if someone could provide a more current graph.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:02, 11 July 2016 (UTC)