Talk:United States Armed Forces

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Military manpower - availability: males age 15-49: 70,502,691 (2000 est.)
Military manpower - fit for military service: males age 15-49: 2,056,762 (2000 est.)

Where did this come from? I doubt that only 2.85% of the 15-49 population is fit for military service. Somewhere on the order of 80 - 90% would be more like it. When I have seen stats like these used, it is in order to give an idea of what the nation could conceivably be capable of, if worse came to worse. Possibly this is meant as a guide to how many could be diverted from the civilian economy without causing serius problems? Dobbs 14:53 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC)

Originally it came from the CIA factbook but I don't know how they derive the numbers. They do seem odd, don't they? --rmhermen
Found it. World Factbook lists fit for military service as N/A. Reaching military age annually is 2,039,414 (2001 est.) - that's what it is, I'll change it. Dobbs 15:51 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC)

Citation now restricted?[edit]

One of the citations (#5), is now behind a pay-to-view restriction, and there's no (free) way to view the source for the claim. What's to be done in this case? If it is required that anyone who wants to verify needs to pay to see the information, what's to stop me from citing a bunch of things and generating money from the wikipedia community of fact-checkers? Or is this how I'm to finance my lavish lifestyle? :D
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Spacing issue[edit]

There’s a weird spacing issue in the infobox between “Coast Guard warrant officer” and “Coast Guard enlisted”. I checked the source code and the infobox template’s source but I couldn’t find anything wrong. Anybody know what’s up? Jak525 (talk) 21:13, Friday, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

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Numbers do not add up[edit]

In the table entitled Personnel by Service, the numbers do not add up. I came to this page to look for the simple answer to the question "how many people are employed by the United States Military?" The numbers in the table do not add up, so I have no idea what the answer to my question is. Setting aside civilian employees and reservists, I would expect the number of people in the military (1,347,106) to be the sum of officers and enlisted (1,137,916 + 236,826 = 1,374,742). This implies that some (1,374,742 - 1,347,106 = 27,636) officers and / or enlisted are not accounted for somehow or perhaps that officers and enlisted are not mutually exclusive categories, i.e., it is possible to be both an officer and an enlisted person at the same time. Perhaps I am misunderstanding the categories entirely. Are Officers and Enlisted not included in Military? That would mean that the total would be 1,347,106 + 1,137,916 + 236,826 = 2,721,848.

Aha, perhaps the total is Male plus Female 1,219,510 + 210,485 = 1,429,995. OK, that should add up to one of the other totals. Ooops. That is not the case. Well, perhaps our enlightened military is counting gender neutral people separately. No, that can't be. Male + Female is higher than either the number of military or the number of officers + enlisted. That would imply that the military counts gender neutral people as both male and female, leading to double counting. No, that can't be. The military is supposed to me precise. Hmmm, the only logically consisted answer is that Military is a separate category, neither Officers nor Enlisted. In that case, our total would be 2,721,848 of whom 1,219,510 are male 210,485 are female and 1,291,853 are gender neutral. Now we know that there are more males than gender neutral people in our society, so this implies that with a voluntary military (no draft), that joining the military is far more attractive to gender neutral people than males. OK, that just does not make any sense at all.

Well, apologies for my whimsical humor, but I think you get my point. The numbers do not add up. Well, once someone has been able to sort this all out, I have two further questions. First, where do the mercenaries* (Blackwater and others) fit in? Are they part of Civilian employees? Or do they account for the discrepancies in the totals? Second, what about the veterans administration employees? They are a necessary component of our past war efforts, so logically they should be included.