Talk:Upper ontology

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Ontology models[edit]

TODO: We should have a mention of the PROTON upper ontology model here. [1] (Olimatis (talk) 20:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC))

The DOLCE link (to the DOLCE pdf) is dead. Suggesting we use this link instead: --Seymoure Frye (talk) 08:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Quote about ontological warfare[edit]

My quote about ontological warfare was given at GCA 1999 in Philadelphia:

I don't have the quote on paper, but I hope this mail is sufficient evidence Petermr (talk) 23:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

This is a better link where the phrase is abstracted by a respected third party: Petermr (talk) 17:35, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Rewriting without essay style[edit]

As of January 2012, the article had gained more essay-like wording, where it even waxed about the problems of religious schisms, warfare, societies that "have computers at all" or medieval Europe. Perhaps whole sentences should be removed or trimmed, as being off-topic tangents, which distract from the specific topic of "upper ontology". While the essay-like tone is common for academic discussions or other topics in the Theory of Knowledge, the tone of Wikipedia articles needs to be more narrow. Otherwise, there would be no end to various analogies about activities in "medieval Europe" or such. The article needs to be rewritten to keep it short and focused. See: WP:TONE. -Wikid77 (talk) 13:13, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree in general, however I think that there are a lot of good points made in the section and that these points belong in the article. The big problem is the lack of sources. Some of this critique can be found in cognitive science -- maybe George Lakoff? Hubert Dreyfus should be cited from philosophy, as his critique of knowledge-based AI is very coherent and influential. I think the post-modernist critique (i.e. the part that sounds almost political) should be covered and deserves a paragraph, but this desperately needs a citation. I don't know this literature at all. Did Foucault or Derrida ever address the problems of AI?
One of the great strengths of Wikipedia is that articles must bring together viewpoints from across the academic and philosophical spectrum. This is part of WP:NPOV, and the article should have sections that address the topic from outside of its own narrow field.
Having defended the ideas, I agree that the writing sounds like the author was just making stuff up. It needs to be tightened and each point needs a source, especially in a section that discusses controversial ideas that are likely to be challenged. ---- CharlesGillingham (talk) 04:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)