|Utah Beach has been listed as a Warfare good article under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do, and if it no longer meets these criteria, it can be reassessed.
Review: October 16, 2014. ( ).
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Someone posted a first hand account of the landing at Utah Beach. It is interesting reading (see, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utah_Beach&oldid=14530649) but it doesn't really fit in an encyclopedia article. Maybe try wikisource, if the copyright status can be ascertained. Ydorb 14:47, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
A generic "catch all" reference is unacceptable. Mojodaddy 21:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
The D-Day section reads like it was written by a 5th grader and I'm too lazy to fix it. Mojodaddy 21:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- I have no horse in this race, but the source cited is authoritative, not "generic". Very detailed and written by US Army historians. It does require other sources, I do agree.--Buckboard 18:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Utah Beach Song
- The first image in D-Day is too light; the second one ("obstacles") is only a little better. I'm crap with images; does anyone know if this can be fixed? - Dank (push to talk) 19:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
The estimate of 40% losses for the 101st seems high. Are we sure that number isn't referring to the reduction in "effective strength" due to the highly scattered formations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjk81 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
German radar station, Douvres-la-Delivrande
“Some 20 minutes after the first waves, British Royal Marine Commandos from 30 Commando Assault Unit, under the command of Captain G. Pike, landed at the beach. Their mission being the capture of a German radar station at Douvres-la-Delivrande”: this seems very unlikely as Douvres-la-Delivrande was located between the Sword and Juno sectors, at about 80km from Utah Beach. <http://www.normandie44lamemoire.com/versionanglaise/fichesvillesus/douvresus2.html>
- I removed the sentence. There is a confusion here, for sure. I've never heard any reports about British commandos on Utah, and certainly not with a mission to Douvres-la-Delivrande ! --Kormin (talk) 18:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- This review is transcluded from Talk:Utah Beach/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
- Is it well-written?
The article is perfectly written with no sentence or grammar errors, but here is a list of suggestions for improvements.
- 1. "at the Trident Conference in Washington in May 1943" - How about changing this sentence to "at the Trident Conference, hosted by Churchill and Roosevelt, in Washington in May 1943".
- 2. "The Allies initially planned to launch the invasion on May 1, 1944. A draft of the plan was accepted at the Quebec Conference in August 1943" - No way to connect these two sentences? How about "The Allies initially planned to launch the invasion on May 1, 1944 and a draft of the plan was accepted at the Quebec Conference in August 1943".
- 3. "General Dwight D. Eisenhower was appointed commander of Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF)" - How about this wording "General Dwight D. Eisenhower was appointed Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces". N It streamlines the prose, but that was not his title. -- Diannaa (talk) 23:23, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
- 4. "Its current commander, Major General Roscoe Woodruff, was replaced with Major General J. Lawton Collins" - It might just be me, but I was confused at the "its current commander" wording. How about removing "current" or reformulating it to "the commander".
- 5. "A report by Field Marshal Gerd von Rundstedt, Oberbefehlshaber West (Supreme Commander West; OB West), overall commander on the Western Front" - How about simply writing "A report by Field Marshal Gerd von Rundstedt, overall commander on the Western Front"
- 6. "which stretched from the Netherlands to Cherbourg" - Are we talking about the Atlantic Wall or just the most likely landing sights? My understanding is that the Atlantic Wall stretched some 2000 miles from coast of Denmark to the Spanish border. Diannaa (talk) 23:23, 16 October 2014 (UTC) You are correct. Ford-Zaloga (p.54) says Rommel was responsible for improvements all along the Atlantic Wall, but he focused most of his attention along the Channel, which was the most likely scene for an invasion, being within reach of air bases in Britain (Beevor p.33). Amended the prose to reflect that. --
- 7. "Many of the men were Ostlegionen (non-German conscripts recruited from Soviet prisoners of war, Georgians, and Poles)" - How about changing this sentence to "Many of the men were Ostlegionen (non-German conscripts recruited from Soviet prisoners of war, Georgians, and Poles), known to be deeply unreliable".
- 8. I know there's only two in "German order of battle", but if you don't arrange it in the same way as "Allied order of battle", it will just look ... stupid.
- 9. "but two men were killed and 17 wounded by mines and German artillery fire" - WP:NUMERAL says you should not switch between writing numbers in words and numbers in the same sentence, so I would recommend changing "17" to "seventeen".
- 10. "Cherbourg fell in the Battle of Cherbourg" - Doesn't quite flow. How about "Cherbourg fell during the Battle of Cherbourg".
- Is it verifiable with no original research?
- Is it broad in its coverage?
- Is it neutral?
- Is it stable?
- Is it illustrated?
- The article meets the GA-criteria, but I would like the GA-nominators thoughts on my suggestions before it's listed, so going to put it on hold. Excellent job. :) Jonas Vinther (speak to me!) 21:55, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Canadian minesweepers at Utah Beach
This subject came up on the Omaha Beach talk page, but it's not appropriate there so I'll continue the conversation here... The reference http://scholars.wlu.ca/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1132&context=cmh, e.g., page 3: "The one thing that remained in common was that they [31st Canadian Mine sweeping Flotilla] were all attached to the western Task Force so would be leading the way into the American beaches Utah and Omaha. " has been offered as a source for the statement that the Canadian navy (specifically minesweepers) were part of the naval component at Utah Beach. However, the quote above is I think slightly misleading. The 31st was indeed part of the Western Task Force which was (the Task Force I mean) tasked with supporting the American landings at Omaha and Utah, and the minesweepers would I imagine have led the way on the approaches to Normandy, but as the next section makes clear, the 31st's duties were to "...sweep Approach Channel 3 into Omaha Beach." The rest of the article covers the work the flotilla did at Omaha, and Utah is never again mentioned. http://www.mcdoa.org.uk/Operation_Neptune_Minesweeping.htm gives some more information about the minesweeping operation, and in the planning section we can see a map of the channels, with the third clearly heading to Omaha. Furthermore, all of the sources I have seen place the Canadian flotilla exclusively in Task Force O, assigned to Omaha Beach. FactotEm (talk) 15:39, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- Once again..I am no expert. BUT (lol) (a) it may be difficult to separate any of the western task forces minesweeper coverage, (b) it may be that the british 16nth minesweeper flotilla had specific duties on the Utah approaches AND that the some of the six Canadian minesweepers not part of the 31st were allocated to the 16nth. I'll try to find sources that make me think that later. However, it is very difficult (esp. for a layman such as I) to determine where ALL the Canadian minesweepers were that day. But thanks for your diligence on these matters. Juan Riley (talk) 20:02, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
- FactotEm: These are not great ref's but as best as I can do on short term and without book access. The site http://www.mcdoa.org.uk/Operation_Neptune_Minesweeping.htm indicates that the 14nth MS flotilla "Swept Ch. 2 ahead of Force U" and this site http://www.nauticapedia.ca/Articles/RCN_Present_D-day.php states that 3 named Canadian minesweepers were part of the 14nth MSF. Checking for better refs without book access might be difficult. Juan Riley (talk) 20:44, 15 August 2016 (UTC)