Talk:Violence in sports

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In the Hockey section, nearly all the citations are meaningless orphans or broken links, referring to original citations that are now missing. Anyone with the ability to actually edit this page may want to correct the locked mess of unverified assertions. 66.86.112.53 (talk) 17:10, 24 January 2014 (UTC)


The page as it stood was fairly North-America centred, so I've added some European events. Average Earthman 22:59, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

i agree with the above so have added

i have done this because i feel nearly all incidents of fan violence from the US and canada are listed where as very few european instances are nooted. Even though i would guess that fan violence at european football matches far outstrips that of american sports combined.

The list of events needs cleaning up - we are ending up with a list of fan violence events, and a list of 'notable events'. I'm not sure some of the notable events are that notable - not to be rude, but is a fight in Puerto Rican basketball or baseball that significant? Average Earthman 09:41, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

    • OK, no-one has commented, so I deleted the Puerto Rican references, as I honestly couldn't see from the descriptions why they were notable outside of Puerto Rico. In contrast, the events at, say, the Tour de France, English Premier League and Major League Baseball made news worldwide. Average Earthman 14:07, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • They were notable to four million souls!! Even Phil Jackson commented about it, saying something like "The NBA isnt Puerto Rico's national basketball league, we dont expect fans to act like animals" or something like that.

"Antonio Puerto Rico matters Martin"

      • Sorry, but Puerto Rico isn't irrelevant, but neither is it more relevant than Greece, Norway, Ireland, Argentina, Australia, etc. etc. If we allow any local bit of violence in, the eventual article will be several pages long. If you want this violence listed, I'd suggest you create a separate article , list of acts of violence in sports perhaps. But the main article should only have a highlight of the most notable. At the moment, it is very US sports heavy, and we shouldn't be trying to balance things by packing them to the seams. I'm not interested in starting an edit war, but I would like some other opinions on the matter.

What I will say is that, if people insist on adding the Rodman bit (why is this that significant anyway?), can they at least format it right? Average Earthman 13:08, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Notable[edit]

The list of notable events is lacking at the moment - to be blunt, I've seen no evidence that the brawls in Puerto Rico are of international note, and the two brawls noted in the US in basketball and baseball are merely noted as 'brawls' - unless someone can flesh out the details (did these brawls inspire a change in the laws? Long term suspensions of notable players?) then I'd propose cutting them out as well. If no one comments in the next fortnight, I'll trim these four events. Average Earthman 13:39, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

This article is sickening in its moralistic overtones[edit]

I really don't understand why it must be presumed that violence and aggression is abnormal or wrong. Only in this modern world where we have banished the gods of war could anyone think that the desire to fight is an abnormal masculine trait.

Blood lust is no different than sexual lust. Passion is neither good nor evil. We have evolved to be warriors and hunters. Because these instincts are undesirable in our docilie, feminized civilization does not mean they do not exist. Try as you might, human nature will be with us forever.

  1. don't know who wrote above... seem to be suffering from people not posting their names... Testosterone is noted as a reason for violence, which is not proven-. what is "Intermittent explosive disorder"? I got here through Sportsmanship and find that the link while existent is not necessarily strong. Dwarf Kirlston 20:15, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Intermittent explosive disorder is a personality disorder where a person has frequent and, in many cases, unpredictable outbursts of extreme anger or physical violence, but no signs in between episodes. The citation was included when I created this article, but that was some time ago and people have moved things around, perhaps orphaning this reference. --Westendgirl 06:21, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi there

Thinking back to my own career as a Rugby player I've come to realize that there might be another side to violence in sports: The only matches with lots of unfair violence were those in which one of the teams was hopelessly inferior to the other. I'm not so bold to announce a causal link between "getting humiliated" and "commiting unfair violence" but I've got the strong feeling that there is at least a correlation. This idea would chime well with the Frustration-Aggression_Hypothesis . A quick look at tables of the german soccer league adds some support to the idea. If you compare the number of fouls commited by a team with their respective ranking at the end of the 2009/2010 season, you can clearly see an inverse proportionality. The three most succesfull teams are among the four teams with the smallest number of commited fouls. And very violent teams tend to be less succesfull. Only 3 out of 18 teams do not fit this pattern. Could these findings perhaps be reproduced in other sports? Raimo Müller 84.161.99.27 (talk) 22:50, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

What About Baseball?[edit]

As usual, there is an anti-hockey bias. What about all the brawls we've seen in baseball over the years? Not a single mention, even though they far outnumber hockey brawling 3:1.24.64.223.203 05:04, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm not against hockey, but I don't think that's what you meant by "anti-hockey". I have nothing against baseball. However, when I started this article, I was writing the piece on violence in ice hockey. Actually, I was originally writing about Billy Coutu's violent streak. Wiki being what is is, I assumed others (you?) would round out the article. Please feel free to add baseball info!--Westendgirl 16:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


i cant say that i agree about that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.72.120.60 (talk) 13:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Dictionary Entries[edit]

All of these Entries, except for Basebrawl, are Unofficial/made up and seldomly/rarely used.

  • Basebrawl (Baseball)
  • Basketbrawl (Basketball)
  • Footbrawl (Football)
  • Soccerbrawl (Soccer)
  • Volleybrawl (Volleyball)
  • Tennisbrawl (Tennis)

--Arima (talk) 05:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

BLP[edit]

Hi, some of these incidents relate to people who are living, so wp:BLP applies. Please can we make sure that only reliably sourced well referenced incidents get included here. I've taken a few out and will do some more - please don't reinstate them without sourcing them. ϢereSpielChequers 19:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

A historical reminder[edit]

Talking about fan violence, one may mention the Richard riot, which happened in Montreal in 1955. It was more about the anti-French bias of some people than about hockey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Riot — Preceding unsigned comment added by D13artagnan (talkcontribs) 15:39, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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