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Home video release info

Anything on if when it was ever released on DVD or Blu-ray Disc (or even VHS)? --Pmsyyz (talk) 04:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Restoration of Cinema Verite references and character details

The film includes a number of documentary type sections, shot out of doors, employing lightweight cameras, a distinctive feature of the cinema verite style employed at this time by Coutard and other cinematographers.

The inclusion of the reference to Nana's decision to abandon a conventional sexual relationship and child in the first scene of the film gives point to her later deluded choices with respect to a life of prostitution which ends with her sordid death in a backstreet. Given this, it may be sensible to keep this within the plot summary.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmackenzie (talk • contribs) 20:11, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Influences

Does anyone has any information which could show that this film was influenced by the series of 6 paintings from the 18th century called A Harlot's Progress? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chandrasonic (talk • contribs) 13:22, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 9 August 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus and evidence is that there is a WP:COMMONNAME now of using the French title. — Amakuru (talk) 15:06, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My Life to Live → Vivre sa vie – Proposing reversal of (years-old but nonetheless) undiscussed move. My Life to Live was only the US release title. In the UK it was released as It's My Life. In both countries the film is now known and released as Vivre sa vie, by Criterion, BFI, and NYFF. Nardog (talk) 14:51, 9 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 18:25, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. This article initially appeared under the main title header "My Life to Live" and was unilaterally moved to "Vivre sa vie (film)" two years later. The subsequent unilateral return move to "My Life to Live" simply restored the title to its original header. As for the film having been released in Britain as "It's My Life", there should be links to film posters advertising such a title. The title "My Life to Live", on the other hand, does have such posters and lobby cards — [1][2] — all contemporary English-language reviews, such as Bosley Crowther's in The New York Times use My Life to Live. Unlike Pierrot le Fou, which is known in the English-speaking world via its French title, My Life to Life has a well-established English-language title, per its entry in Rotten Tomatoes, AllMovie and the first Criterion edition, thus putting it in the same titling form as other Godard films known in the English-speaking world by their English titles, such as Breathless (1960 film), A Woman Is a Woman, Contempt (film), A Married Woman, Two or Three Things I Know About Her, Every Man for Himself (1980 film) or First Name: Carmen. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here is an ad for a screening from a 1963 issue of Sight & Sound with the title It's My Life. Here is an ad for a 16mm distributor from a 1969 issue, again with the title. Here, here, and here are three reference works from the 1970s confirming the two English titles and already referring to the film canonically with the French title. Here and here are books referring to the film exclusively with the British title. Given it's a French film, My Life to Live is untenable as a neutral name.

Since you've brought it up, articles from the NYT from this century overwhelmingly refer to the film exclusively with the French title,^{[3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]} including A. O. Scott and Scorsese. Some put the US title in parentheses but still the French one first.^{[12][13][14][15]} Only four had just the US title, and two of them were mere listings of screen times, which are likely space-constrained and not written by staff.^{[16][17][18][19]} I see no sign that My Life to Live is still the WP:COMMONNAME even within the US. (And needless to say, that many Godard films are known by anglicized names is complete non sequitur. You even found the counterexample of Pierrot le Fou yourself.) Nardog (talk) 19:33, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nonetheless, in English Wikipedia, a well-established English title should take precedence over the non-English title (unless the non-English title [such as Pierrot le Fou] is the only title known in the English-speaking world) and a more-frequently used English title should take precedence over the less-frequently used one.

As for the three reference works from the 1970s, those film guides list all French films by their original titles (the third one extends this practice to all films) and, while the British variant — "It's My Life" — no longer appears to be in use, the form My Life to Live does continue to be used (as exemplified by AllMovie and Rotten Tomatoes) and appears (alphabetized under "M") in all printed American film guides published in the 1990s, 2000s and 2010s, such as Steven H. Scheuer's Movies on TV, Leonard Maltin's Movie and Video Guide, Mick Martin's & Marsha Porter's DVD & Video Guide or Videohound's Golden Movie Retriever. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 00:32, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 21:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support It may have been known as "My Life to Live" or It's My Life when it was released, and that title can still be found, but the nominator makes a solid case for why recent, reputable English-language sources prefer "Vivre Sa Vie." Fredlesaltique (talk) 15:14, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.