Talk:Welsh mythology

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Consolidating?

I was led here by a link on the Magnus Maximus page. It said main article: Dream of Macsen Wledig. I sure hope that all Welsh Mythology isn't being put into one page. There is too much scholarship to be put into one page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:2A88:8300:F419:155D:A4CC:BF12 (talk) 16:17, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it should be Manawydan not Manawyddan. (Reference Y Mabinogion Dafydd a Rhiannon Ifans, Gwag Gomer).

There are some major contradictions in the geneaology. (See Beli Mawr, Llŷr, Penarddun and Welsh mythology#Characters in particular. I get the impression there may be more. Spyforthemoon 16:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, I think a category would be appropriate for the members of the Characters section. Whether this should be the existing Category:Welsh gods or something else, perhaps Welsh Legendary Characters. I'm not terrbily familiar with the subject matter, so don't feel qualified to make the call as to which.Spyforthemoon 18:16, 3 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Welsh Deities??"

It could be said that the only well-attested to instances of ANY known non-christian deities worshipped by the Welsh are those named in inscriptions on Romano-Celtic altars.

I would like to see some serious discussion on the merit of near universal custom of elevating to god/goddesshood virtually any of the primary characters in the stories of the Welsh corpus. Earrach 3/26/07

Ronald Hutton discusses the way Rhiannon was elevated to goddess-hood starting in the late 19th century despite not being called a goddess in the early literature. Dougweller (talk) 06:28, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template additions?

I'm not an student of Welsh mythology, so am leaving this note for someone to edit the {{Welsh mythology}} template concerning the four manuscripts mentioned near the top of this article: The Red Book of Hergest, White Book of Rhydderch, Book of Aneirin, and the Book of Taliesin, as well as Historia Brittonum. They are not presently listed on the template, yet it seems if they are so prominent in the lead of this page that they'd possibly be "template worthy". If so, please add them. Thanks. Randy Kryn 11:11, 13 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Article should be renamed

This article should be restructured and renamed "Medieval Welsh Literature" as "Welsh mythology" is a complete misnomer; almost none of the material listed can be classified as "mythology". The Four Branches of the Mabinogi may contain some genuinely old mythological features (though modern scholars are not in agreement about this!), but should not be classified as mythology; it is medieval literature. The "mythical creatures" section is mostly folklore (and why is the Devil listed here??), mixed with some figure taken from medieval fiction (e.g., the Coraniaid, who have no existence in Welsh tradition outside of the late tale Lludd and LLefelys and triads derived from the tale). All of the Arthurian material is properly classed as medieval romance and three of the Arthurian tales (Owein, Peredur, and Gereint) are nothing more than loose translations of Old French romances originally written by Chretien de Troyes. Y Gododdin is mentioned in the article, but it is a poem concerning an historical battle - it's not "mythology"!! Similarly, Annales Cambriae is a collection of historical annals and the Historia Brittonum is a medieval pseudo-history - not "mythology"!! It's really depressing that uncritical articles such as this litter Wikipedia's sections devoted to Celtic and Arthurian matters. Cagwinn (talk) 16:53, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pre Mabinogion

After reading sections of the Book of Baglan, I would like to raise the question about the Earl of Ewias and Urchenfeld (medieval Ewyas and Ergyng), as descendants of Brutus of Troy, also mentioned in Bartrum's 1993 dictionary of Welsh between 0-1000AD. I recently made some changes to the King of Wales article, and there was controversy about whether the list was mythology or not. Therefore I would like to ask about how the backstory of the Mabinogion can be included involving the Silures Celtic tribe as ancestors to the Llyr and the future monarchs in Wales. Cltjames (talk) 19:03, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Realms of existence" and "Pantheon" sections

I'm uncomfortable with the inclusion of these sections, as it is mostly a single sources speculation. This could be deeply misleading for others trying to learn about Welsh Mythology and I believe it should be deleted TsiarlysApAnhun (talk) 23:57, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]