Talk:William Prunier

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I don't think this is really in the scope of France as a whole...it is very specific, if he indeed comes back and captains France (can't see it) then it probably would be. Also i need confirmation on his goal/app. stats, juggedhair for some reason deleted these. The earlier edits have incorrect caps for France as that is only tournament appearances. He made five national appearances. i think he scored four goals for France as well, most of which were flukes hence is claim to fame as 'the defender who can'. Don't know details on his club stats.

Jangaroo (talk) 16:21, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't know if this should be in the French project really. He played a total of seven games for France, i will dig up a ref. You can probably find his stats here: http://www.soccerstats.com/. I will take a look later. I think some of Juggedhair's claims maybe a bit..err...far fetched. He did indeed look to be a great player at one point, but his spell at Manchester United was not nearly as impressive as it is made out to be. I think it is mainly the French papers who think that, he is considered somewhat of a disaster by most Manchester United fans. This is probably harsh as he was not to blame for that clubbing they got, but i think perhaps this view should be shown.

I cannot find any refs about those transfer figures cited. I cannot find any at all though and he was on a contract as opposed to a free transfer during both of those transfers. Anyway i shifted the text a bit and cleared the club appearances. Not sure if he ever played for hearts of midlothian, cannot find any source saying he did.

Waterwish (talk) 17:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to try and improve the article further - to date, I don't think that all his achievements as a footballer have been entered on the page. I'll try and search for references and such like. Ducksofmercy (talk) 19:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I have found his Manchester United stats at http://www.btinternet.com/~keano16/manupag/legends/prunierpag/prunier.htm he played two full games and scored two goals. I will continue to search for further stats.

Waterwish (talk) 20:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

He cannot have played over a 100 games in 1 year! Also his national stats are wrong i think, but the club ones need to be sorted first. There must be a site that would have them. Juggedhair (talk) 20:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry but some of the stuff on this page is tripe. 'illustrous career,' 'Prunier was disputably the greatest product of the famous AJ Auxerre youth team' 'Prunier quickly showed his leadership qualities and through sheer determination managed to prevent a far worse result.' Bauwhhahaha! What?! 'Prunier reconsidered his retirement in 2008, joining Argentine giants River Plate on a three year contract. He has expressed his desire to play for and captain France in the 2010 world cup.' I heard about this on sky, surely the man is not serious...he is 40 and was never *that* good, how on earth does he think he is going to captain France at the age of 42! Has he actually signed for River or is he just on a trial? I also think he was only at Man U on a trial, so i am guessing these two should be excluded from the list. I think he has played more games than that for France though?

Anyhow i don't really know what to change about this article because it's a bit...slanted shall we say? I surpose it's better than the version prior to juggedhare updating it. I think this: 'Prunier was disputably the greatest product of the famous AJ Auxerre youth team' needs to go as it is clearly tripe; there is no WAY any sane person would dispute that William flipping Prunier is greater than Eric Cantona...

Also what is with the pointless sign at the top?

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There appears to be a general lack of clarity regarding this article, maybe a general cleanup is in order?

86.9.135.152 (talk) 22:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

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I have found the rest of his stats, corrected his years in the French national. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waterwish (talk • contribs) 18:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

This article has been edited and words with opinion removed, for example 'illustrious career’. The career statistics have been confirmed and corrected. They are now up to date with River Plate appearences.

Elictorsky (talk) 20:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Dates corrected, club list fixed. Jangaroo (talk) 10:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Bias?

Some of the descriptive language used in this article is rather bias. The clubs on the list don't seem to correlate with those described either.

Drogmatap (talk) 17:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I have been doing some research into Prunier as well as some other poorly observed footballers, i will type up my findings soon. The middle part of his career is somewhat hard to find info on. His D.O.B is wrong as well.

http://www.frenchleague.com/joueur/index.asp?no_joueur=88 Waterwish (talk) 17:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

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All those career stats are garbage. He didn't score for Man U, also those French stats are way out:

http://www.national-football-teams.com/player/12744.html

Drogmatap (talk) 17:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

That page got those from the ones quoted in the original wiki page, however they are wrong.

Waterwish (talk) 17:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough. However something still is not right, why were those stats there anyway if wrong? Also he has not scored any goals for Man U, i am 95% sure about this. As per here: Drogmatap (talk) 17:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

As per where? I have seen pages quote zero goals but he had two spells, one on trial. He scored the goals on trial thats why you may not see them, also why some pages only display one tenure at United. Waterwish (talk) 17:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi user 193.190.253.147, can you provide a ref for those stats you have added? I am 90% sure he has only made 1 WC app, but far more int caps. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waterwish (talk • contribs) 10:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)