Talk:Yokohama Subway

Minato Mirai Line

The question I want to bring up is a complicated one. My question would be is the Minato Mirai Line considered part of the "official" Yokohama Subway Network (or another term Metro Network) I see is used.

To me the only subway network in Yokohama is the one operated by the Yokohama City Subway.

I would to point to the Tokyo Subway Network, officially the Tokyo Subway network is operated by two groups, Tokyo Metro and Toei. The Rinkai Line is mentioned but not "officially" part of the network. The Rinkai Line is very similar in my opinion to the Minato Mirai Line, both are operated by third sector railway companies that have through service, in the case of the Minato Mirai Line, it has continuous through service with the Tokyu Toyoko Line, in fact, all trains are operated by Tokyu employees and the vast majority of the rolling stock is Tokyu trains.

My question, is the Minato Mirai Line considered part of the Yokohama Subway Network? My opinion is no.

I think when you ask for the "subway" in Tokyo, someone would point you to either Tokyo Metro or Toei (after making sure you don't want the JR station). I think if you asked for "subway" in Yokohama someone would point you to the network of the Yokohama City Subway, rather than the Minato Mirai Line.

Yes, the entire Minato Mirari Line runs underground, and in any sense of the word it is a "subway" or underground line - I'm not debating this point. I'm trying to see if the wording on this page "The Yokohama subway network in Yokohama, Japan is operated by two groups." is correct. To me the subway network in Yokohama is operated by one group, the municipal government ie. the Yokohama City Subway. Though I'm not sure if I'm clear in my point, but I think the Minato Mirai Line as a seperate entity, similar to the Rinkai Line, I'm just not sure if it is considered a part of the Yokohama Subway Network.

I guess another way of asking is, does the Yokohama High Speed Rail Company considered an operator to be part of be part of the Yokohama Subway network, like how Tokyo Metro and Toei are considered parts of the Tokyo Subway network, or is it considered a seperate entity like the Rinkai Line.

I think even on the Japanese version of Wikipedia, they note that the Yokohama High Speed Rail Company and the Minato Mirai Line runs entirely underground, but doesn't call it part of a Yokohama Subway Subway network.

Certainly, I am no expert on this matter, so I'm looking for more clearification (maybe on how this item is viewed by Japan Wikipedia)? - Limitedexpresstrain 01:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The 2 Yokohama subway systems should be handled separately by separate articles, because they are not linked to each other. Furthermore, I believe that the Yokohama Subway page should be a disambiguation page (or a short intro page), listing Yokohama City Subway and Minato Mirai Line as choices.

In sharp contrast to Yokohama, the two Tokyo Subway systems are clearly linked with each other. This page explains how to buy a "transfer ticket" between the two. So it's OK to talk about the Tokyo systems together in one article.

In Paris, the Paris Metro and RER are linked together also, so they can be on the same article too.

Actually, Yokohama's Minato Mirai Line is linked to the Tokyo Metro (Hibiya Line via Tokyu Toyoko Line). But the Yokohama City Subway seems NOT to be linked to anything else.

Anyways, I say keep the Yokohama subway systems separate.--Endroit 05:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree this should be a disambiguation page or somesort of intro page, saying the Yokohama Subway Network is administred by the Yokohama City Transportation Bureau which operates the Yokohama City Subway (with a link to a new Yokohama City Transportation Bureau Page, and information done in the format like Toei or Tokyo Metro stating it operates the Yokohama city Subway and info on lines etc).

Followed by another line saying something like the Rinkai Line, "The Minato Mirai Line is a subway/underground line that operates in Yokohama but is not considered part of the "official" Yokohama Subway Network. With a link to the Yokohama Minatomirai Railway Company (new page) I'm not sure where the name Yokohama High Speed Rail Company came from, but the official english name is the Yokohama Minatomirai Railway Company.

- Limitedexpresstrain 17:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I have changed the page, and have created a new page for the Yokohama City subway, under the page for the Yokohama City Transportation Bureau which I somewhat modeled after the page for Toei. I think other railway station pages and references to the city subway be redirected to the Bureau page. Also I have created a new page for the company that oversees the Minato Mirai Line, the Yokohama Minatomirai Railway Company, which also administers another line with the Minato Mirai Line. -Limitedexpresstrain 23:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Yokohama Municipal Subway

Should we change Yokohama City Subway to Yokohama Municipal Subway? I believe that Shiei Chikatetsu (市営地下鉄) tends to be translated into "Municipal Subway" for official usage. Please check here to see how the City of Yokohama uses this term.

Also, I see that the articles Kobe Municipal Subway and Osaka Municipal Subway do that already. Shiei Chikatetsu (市営地下鉄) is translated into "Municipal Subway" there too.--Endroit 16:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

It does appear to be named the Yokohama Municipal Subway.

I do like to note that I think a lot of people tend to use the term municipal and city interchangbly, so I don't think, a need to change everything referencing the Yokohama City Subway, or Yokohama Subway to say Yokohama Municipal Subway (on other pages), of course it will be changed for the main page for wikipedia and the transportaton bureau website.

I also think this page Yokohama Subway page be should redirected to the page for the Transportation Bureau.

I think the vast majority if not all pages out there on wikipedia that link to or reference the Yokohama Subway want to link it to the Yokohama city subway network/the municipal subway page rather than they do for the Minato Mirai Line, I think those who want to reference the Minato Mirai have done so specificallly in their pages.

I also made a reference on the transportation bureau page about the Minato Mirai line in case someone got confused.

I'm modeling the transportation bureau page somewhat after the page for Toei, I think its better if we link everything under the Transportation Bureau wikipedia page until we develop more comprehensive pages on the Yokohama Municipal Subway network and then split it off from the transportation bureau page.

What do you think? - Limitedexpresstrain 17:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, Yokohama Subway perhaps should redirect to Yokohama City Transportation Bureau for now, and to Yokohama Municipal Subway once that page is created. But I think we need a notice at the top, such as:

Yokohama Subway redirects here. For the subway line connecting Shibuya with Yokohama Chinatown, see Minato Mirai Line.

Limitedexpresstrain, does this sound OK? If so, I'll do the notice on the top. And can you do the redirection part?--Endroit 18:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I just did my portion. Please check for accuracy and make corrections as you see necessary.--Endroit 18:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, I never liked those notices at the very top of the page as it makes the page look unorganized format wise.

I prefer to mention that the Minato Mirai Line is an underground/subway line that operates in the the Yokohama area but not part of the municipal subway network in either the opening paragraph or under "Subway Operations".

I think if a full municipal subway page is created, it should also be mentioned within the article rather than at the very top.

I think again that most pages that refer to the Yokohama Subway are refering to the City/Municipal subway network, and that other pages on wikipedia that mention the Minato Mirai Line are already specifically linking those pages to the Minato Mirai Line page. I don't see a need to have a notice at the very top at the Yokohama Subway Page? In full I think the Minato Mirai Line is worth mentioning, but not at the very top of the page before the article begins. - Limitedexpresstrain 19:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

It's more of a "disambiguation issue" rather than a simple style issue. For such matters, I think we need to follow WP:disambig, under the section titled "Disambiguation links". Although Minato Mirai Line is technically not defined to be a "Yokohama Subway", it still IS a subway line located in Yokohama.--Endroit 19:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Then I think we should leave the Yokohama Subway page as is a disambiguation page, but i'm going to redirect it anyways with the notice at the top of the Transportation Bureau page, but I want to make it clear on both pages of the minato mirai and the transportation bureau that the minato mirai is generally not considered part of the subway network -Limitedexpresstrain 20:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, as long as Minato Mirai Line is covered by a "disambig" (even if we redirect) in accordance with WP:disambig, it should be fine. I'll leave the rest up to you.--Endroit 20:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok I have redirected the page and corrected the disambig, however if a new municipal subway page is created in the furture, remind one of us to remove the disambig notice from the Transportation Bureau Page to the new Municipal subway page. Everything looks in order now I think. - Limitedexpresstrain 20:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)