Talk:York, Newcastle and Berwick Railway

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Reader feedback: map of the original line

82.0.47.254 posted this comment on 21 October 2013 (view all feedback).

map of the original line

Thanks for your comments. I'm not sure what you were looking for i.e. which "original line"? I've added a link to a 1854 map (which also includes the LNR and Y&NMR systems); I will look at simplifying this and adding it to the North Eastern Railway section. Edgepedia (talk) 05:33, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One thing that does confuse the modern-day railfan is that the ECML only took on its present form in the 1980s. The route from Doncaster to York has changed twice (originally via Askern and Burton Salmon, then via Selby, now via Temple Hirst and Colton); and the areas around some stations - particularly York and Newcastle - have changed too. What the IP is referring to, I believe, is that the route between Darlington and Newcastle has also changed significantly. The present Team Valley route via Durham and over the King Edward Bridge is somewhat to the west of the original route via Shincliffe and Washington, over the High Level Bridge. Even that "original" route was altered, such as the link between Washington and Pelaw. If the present route were shown side by side with the 1854 route, it might help. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:19, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Redrose, yes it would make sense to show the current route with the YN&BR line and I'll think how we can show the changes around York and Newcastle in a sensible level of detail. I think its going to take me a few days to draw such a map, so its good to have a plan before I start!

The route south of York is something I want to cover in the York & North Midland Railway article; Cobb 2006 is a very handy reference, but that's in my library and I really don't think I'm going to get there in the next few weeks. Edgepedia (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly there I think :) Edgepedia (talk) 14:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dates

I don't always agree with the editor above but in this case s/he is spot on.

Anyway I am trying to fathom the dates in the Newcastle and Berwick section. If I knew more about it I would edit it myself, but ...

The relevant part of the article says

Newcastle and Berwick Railway

The 14 1⁄2 miles (23.3 km) from the junction of the N&NSR to Morpeth opened on 1 March 1847, a few weeks later the 19 3⁄4-mile (31.8 km) long section south from Tweedmouth to Chathill opened on 29 March and the railway was complete on 1 July 1847.

The line from London had reached Gateshead in 1844 but the Tyne still had to be crossed to reach Newcastle. Several bridges had been proposed since the 1830s, such as a low level bridge at Redheugh with an inclined plane up to Newcastle, and a high level bridge, which was favoured by Stephenson. The Newcastle & Darlington Junction's second Act in 1843 give the company permission to built a high level bridge, but this was superseded in 1845 by a Newcastle & Berwick Act for a double-decked bridge for rail and road traffic, this Act also giving the necessary permission to build a joint station with the Newcastle & Carlisle Railway.[81]

The second paragraph seems to have got displaced from elsewhere; should it be shifted?

The first paragraph seems to be contradicted by the Royal Border Bridge article that says It is a Grade I listed railway viaduct built between 1847 and 1850. Does this mean the Royal Border Bridge was not part of the N&BR project? If so could the article make that clear for ignoramuses like me. (Who did build it if that is the case?)

And if N&NSR Junction to Morpeth was done, and then Chathill to Tweedmouth, could the article at least refer to the middle section, Morpeth to Chathill, please?

Sorry if this is obvious but I can't make anything of it.Afterbrunel (talk) 20:33, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have had a shot at this now. Afterbrunel (talk) 15:47, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility

An editor has done a considerable amount of work in assembling the factual history of the YN&BR. I think what is needed now is some streamlining of the text, which seems quite daunting to a reader who is unfamiliar with the details. Such a reader is of course the "customer" of this article. Afterbrunel (talk) 07:01, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

YNBR locomotive numbers

"Numbers applied by the York, Newcastle and Berwick Railway are unknown" i have a copy of "locomotives of the North Eastern Railway" by John S. Maclean which has the YNB numbers but because of the way it is written will take time to compile them into a list — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirdouglas1994 (talk • contribs) 12:47, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]