Talk:Yorkton Film Festival Golden Sheaf Award - Drama

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Opinion please on consolidating sub-categories of Best Drama[edit]

Hello @Bearcat:, I wanted to ask (if I could) your opinion about the category of Best Drama. The category starts in 2002 as Best Drama – but before that it varies as indicated below:

2001, 2000, Best International Drama, Best Drama;
1999, 1998 there is Best Drama Over 30 Minutes, Best Drama Under 30 Minutes & Best International Drama;
1997 Best Drama;
1996, 1992, 1990, 1986, 1985, Best Drama Over 30 Minutes & Best Drama Under 30 Minutes;
1995 Best Television Dramatic Series Episode, Best Drama Over 30 Minutes & Best Drama Under 30 Minutes;
1994, 1993 Best Drama Over 30 Minutes, Best Drama Under 30 Minutes, Best Television Drama / Dramatic Series Episode;
1991 Best Drama for Broadcasters, Best Drama Over 30 Minutes & Best Drama Under 30 Minutes;
1990, 1989 Best Drama Under 30 Minutes & Drama Lab Award of $500;
1988, 1987 Best Drama Over 30 Minutes & Best Drama Under 30 Minutes & National Screen Institute Independent Drama Cash Award $500;
1984 Best Drama Production Under 30 Min;

Does it make sense to you to list the film and then differentiate between the various subcategories as I've done for 2000 & 2001? I am very unsure if this is a correct way to incorporate these inconsistencies within the category of Drama. Thank you! Best Regards, LorriBrown (talk) 02:22, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

With this kind of variance, I'd say it does make sense to list them in one article and then clarify the nuances of the category names within it, rather than forcing the reader to weave back and forth between a bunch of separate articles for shortlived categories that fundamentally served the same purpose for the most part. For comparison, the Canadian Film Awards → Genie Awards → Canadian Screen Awards troika also had some similar variances over their 60+ years — but in most cases we combine the categories logically into common articles. Most notably, they've been all over the place when it comes to the screenplay awards — in the CFA days the categories were usually "Best Screenplay (Feature)" for feature films and "Best Screenplay (Non-Feature)" for things like shorts and television films, but on a couple of occasions the feature category was further split into "Best Original Screenplay" and "Best Adapted Screenplay" awards — and then in the Genie→CSA eras, the categories were usually "Best Original Screenplay" and "Best Adapted Screenplay", but were sometimes collapsed back down into a single "Best Screenplay" award for various reasons in the 1980s and 1990s (but never since). So instead of having four different articles and forcing the reader to bounce back and forth willy-nilly, we combine them all at a single article for Best Screenplay, with the category shifts noted in the table.

Also, just for future reference, pages aren't allowed to be filed in categories while they're still in draftspace. I've inserted leading colons into the category declarations for now, so that they appear as text links to the categories instead of filing the page in the categories — once the page is actually ready to be moved into articlespace, that will be the time to remove the colons so that the page actually appears in the categories again. But our categories are for finished articles, not in-progress drafts, so the page can't be in the categories until it's done. Bearcat (talk) 14:03, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearcat:, Thank you for your reply & thank you for fixing the error I made not blocking the newly added categories on the draft page. I definitely understand why they should not be included until the article is in the main space. I was quite stuck on how to deal with the additional film award categories - so had abandoned the article for a while. Your suggestions are very logical and I'll give it a shot, although it's a bit more advanced than I'm used to. I think if I look at the coding it should be easy enough to add the extra lines. Thanks for the examples and for taking time to help me - it is most appreciated. Take care & stay safe! Best, LorriBrown (talk) 16:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, because you're only listing the winners here and not the entire shortlist of nominees, it probably would be overkill to actually import the "full header with grey bars" format that I used in the Best Screenplay article I linked above. Rather, it would make more sense to just do what you've already done here in 2000 and 2001, just clarifying the category name under each film. Bearcat (talk) 16:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, I was struggling to figure out how to do that anyway... :-) Thanks!LorriBrown (talk) 20:39, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]