Talk:Zorya

Gaiman

I still don't think Gaiman merits a mention in this article. I like Gaiman's works but mentioning them in every single mythology article seems to me to be overkill and have a tinge of recentism and bias towards Anglo-American culture. Haukur 20:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Not having read this first, I just added a modern pop culture section with the (so-far) only entry being Gaiman's American Gods. Aleta 23:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Except that Gaiman is actually British (yes, he does currently reside in the U.S.) and the Zorya are Slavic. American Gods is the title of the book, but the majority of the gods mentioned in the work aren't even from the North American continent. I remember seeing some American deities, but these are Native American and Native Canadian. Also, it's a bit of a stretch to say that Gaiman and his works are mentioned in every single mythology article. Though he's a prolific author, he has yet to cover even a tenth of the vast mythological territory. 24.14.198.8 00:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC) Chris G.

Since Gaiman claims to have made up the third sister, the one that the article cites as only "sometimes" being mentioned, it is perhaps appropriate that he be mentioned here. Can anyone cite a pre-Gaiman source for the third? Brons (talk) 04:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Not off the top of my head, but I have read various references to Zorya Polunochnaya or Zvezda Połnoca as the third sister; she also appears as Polunochnitsa or Polunocnica - Lady Midnight - the opposite number of Lady Midday. I'll do a little reading and check. (Also, can anyone find a source for Gaiman's claim to have made up the third sister? There's no reference in the article.) --Shoemoney2night (talk) 00:37, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Zaria

The figures of Zaria and the Zorya, though probably related, seem to have substantially different connotations and imagery. I don't mind brief articles if we haven't gathered much information yet – I think it's more important that the information be specific and relevant. My vote would be don't merge. Fuzzypeg 01:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree don't merge if they are different connnotations, and its settled lets removed the old merge idea Goldenrowley 00:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Arquebuses?

She is invoked to protect against death in battle, and her prayers were addressed as "Defend me, O maiden, with your veil from the enemy, from the arquebus and arrow..."

Arquebuses? I thought were discovered in 15th century or something. Waaaay long after slavic faith.

-Dex

-The folk magic spells, ones mentioning Zoryas among them, existed among peasants for centuries after the baptising of Rus',and are very important to folklorists searching information of Slavic beliefs. Aranelle (talk) 13:54, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Rename in Zorya (simply)

I suggest rename this article from The Zorya at Zorya, because it's a name of the godness and a definite article isn't necessary. 91.77.93.85 (talk) 09:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done BalkanFever 10:04, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow... so effective and quick work. Thanks much, BalkanFever 91.77.93.85 (talk) 10:16, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem :). BalkanFever 10:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Actualy The Zorya (is plural, like The Olympians and) are two or three goddesses (at least two ancient, one maybe modern creation or a fourth is a modern creation.)--dchmelik (t|c) 09:38, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Star?

I don't understand why in the article Зоря is called Star, because in russian language it means dawn. Celestial (talk) 13:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

And means a star in Ukrainian... Besides i do not "believe" that both sisters represented a "Venus" (which was made up), but a constellation of Cygnus (Swan). There existed also 3rd sister, which was Zvezda Severnica (Polaris). The most lightened star was Daneb or Danica; Dan is "Day", that's why a "white one", "Morning one" and "evening one"; both were visible from north pole in the early morning and in the evening. Zora (dawn) represented also Vedic Saraswati white swan or "Zora-Sveta"; which means "bright (holy) dawn". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.182.58.1 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 19 January 2013‎

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Third sister

I was surprised to read in here that Gaiman invented a third sister, and to hear his claim that she'd only existed since 2001, because I new about the Zorya of midnight from my childhood, from a book copyright 1968 (printed 1971). That's rather before 2001. New Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology (Introduction by Robert Graves), 1968 (new edition; first published in 1959). In the chapter on Slavonic Mythology, by G. Alexinsky, I see

A myth of a later period attributes a special mission to the Zorya. 'There are in the sky,' it says, 'three little sisters, three little Zorya: she of the Evening, she of Midnight, and she of Morning. Their duty is to guard [...]

I find it altogether plausible Gainman invented his midnight sister, for if he'd been dabbling in similar sources to the one I'm quoting, his imagination might have been caught by its account of the Zorya not as stars but as Auroras; that's why the Zorya stuck in my mind all these years, the striking plausibility that the Slavs would take the Aurora Borealis to be a sister of the sunset and dawn. It also seems perfectly plausible that the idea got into modern circulation through his book and wikipedia. But it seemed to me appropriate to tone down the breadth of the claim about Gainman in this article. --Pi zero (talk) 19:13, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Third sister was Polaris. Her name was Severnica (Severnitsa). It is not an invention. Vechernica, Danica/Zorya and Severnitsa were 3 sisters, daughters of Dazhbog and Lada. Danica = Irish Danu and Vedic Saraswati; Saraswati = Slavic ZoryaSveta... ("holy(light;worldly)-dawn") — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.182.63.106 (talk • contribs) 08:03, 10 September 2014‎

About the error in the section on Russian culture

The term Little Rus is a designation not of Russia, but of Ukraine. The reason for the appearance of such a term is the same as today - the devaluation of culture and its absorption by Russian aggressors. The phrase "Pan Ivan" is itself an element of Ukrainian songs, "pan" is from the Ukrainian language into English "Mr.", and in Russian it will be "hospodyn". Because of this, attempts to revive Slavic paganism are so weak, because they are based on small claims that contradict the very idea of ​​a "separate Slavic people" 194.44.201.155 (talk) 07:47, 13 August 2022 (UTC)