Talk:Zurab I, Duke of Aragvi

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Date of death[edit]

@Kober:, hi, thanks first of all for the additions. The date of death initially included by me was 1630 as well. I based this on Mikaberidze (2015) Historical Dictionary of Georgia, p. 133. However, according to Allen, W.E.D. (1964). "Trivia Historiae Ibericae". In Salia, Kalistrat. Bedi Kartlisa, Revue de Kartvélologie. XVII-XVIII. Paris., p. 168, he "died in 1629". Given that Mikaberidze (2015) doesn't really focus too much on that part while Allen (1964) does a bit more, I then decided to use 1629 instead of 1630. Your thoughts on which of the two we should use in articles for the future? - LouisAragon (talk) 21:42, 21 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome. Well, I do understand that. The sources are not anonymous on the date of Zurab's death. So, probably we should use both, but more recent sources such as Дворянские роды Росс. Империи том 4 do give preponderance to 1630.--Kober^Talk 04:18, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Kober:, hmmm I see. Well, if the newer sources seem to stick to the year 1630, then I guess we should probably stick to that as well. Just in case; are there any noteworthy number of reliable sources that you know of that mention 1629? - LouisAragon (talk) 02:47, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and thanks for linking that source. Looks good! Just got myself an online readable version of it as we speak. ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 02:47, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good! Well, the book, as any other source, is not immune to inaccuracies and inconsistencies, but, by far, it is the most comprehensive and up-to-date genealogical study of the Georgian nobility. Attempts have been made by authors of those chapters to address these issues at nobility.pro, but, unfortunately, it is not yet a sufficiently well-structured source and no printed version is available. --Kober^Talk 15:09, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Stop distorting Georgian History.[edit]

Eristavi had name - Zurab, if Qizilbashes called him Sohrab it means nothing. This is English Wikipedia, not Persian. Furthermore, you can not call Teimuraz I - Tahmuraz, he never converted to Islam, neither did Baadur Eristavi. The latter, even never visited Iran.--Giorgi Mechurchle (talk) 22:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What about - "everything is sourced", it also means nothing. In Georgian sources Shah Tahmasp was known as Tamaz, Shah Hormizd as Urmizdi etc., even in some English language sources Tahmasp is called Tamaz, but it does not mean, that I have right to distort the name of the latter in English Wikipedia. I don't do that, because I have enough culture for that.--Giorgi Mechurchle (talk) 23:03, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]