Template:Did you know nominations/Competition elements in Ice dance
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:44, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
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Competition elements in ice dance[edit]
A reverse rotational lift, performed by Canadians Federica Faiella and Massimo Scali
- ... that there are no rules against reverse rotational lifts, in which the woman lifts the man, in the International Skating Union's rules regarding the competition elements in ice dance? [1] Source: Icenetwork.com
- ALT1:... that according to the governing body over figure skating, which makes decisions regarding the competition elements in ice dance, lying on the ice is an illegal move? [2] Source: ISU
- Reviewed: Life with My Sister Madonna
Created by Figureskatingfan (talk). Self-nominated at 22:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC).
New and long enough, within policy, QPQ done, Earwig finds no copyvios. Normally an article should have more secondary sources, but given the topic I think it's okay for DYK. According to the source, a woman lifting a man is a "reverse lift", not a "rotational lift"; the hook and article need to be corrected. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 23:53, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) These are minor but, the proper hook format starts with an ellipsis (...) rather than the words "did you know", and there were some capitalization issues in the hooks above. User:Mandarax just fixed them before I could. :-) Also, the hooks could be shortened. I'd suggest the following. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 00:03, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- Guys, thanks for the catches and for the fixes. It's been a while since I've done anything here at DYK, so I'm a little rusty. I appreciate your patience with me. I promise to do better next time. I'm good with either hook, although I prefer the 1st one, since it comes with a cool image. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:07, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- * ALT0b: ... that there are no rules against reverse rotational lifts, in which the woman lifts the man, as competition elements in ice dance?
- * ALT1b: ... that lying on the ice is an illegal competition element in ice dance?
- Thanks, Antony-22. Thanks for understanding about the primary sources; without them, which are really the best sources to use for figure skating, we'd have no articles because...well, figure skating isn't written about much in the press, and when it is (during the Olympics), they don't go into the kind of depth necessary for encyclopedia articles. Speaking of, the ISU calls this lift a rotational lift, but many newspaper reports call them reverse lifts. Perhaps at one point that was the technical term, but currently the correct term is rotational lift. I chose to use the correct term rather than depend upon the source's description, which is incorrect. The other thing that often happens with figure skating writing is that reporters use the more popular term rather than the correct, technical one. For those reasons, I ask that the hook stand as is. If you like, we can hook 2 to keep things simple.Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:03, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Figureskatingfan: Can you point to a reference where it's referred to as a rotational lift? From the cited source, I get the feeling that "rotational lift" means a lift where the dancers are rotating. But, as you said, it could be an unreliable source. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 05:08, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Antony-22. Thanks for understanding about the primary sources; without them, which are really the best sources to use for figure skating, we'd have no articles because...well, figure skating isn't written about much in the press, and when it is (during the Olympics), they don't go into the kind of depth necessary for encyclopedia articles. Speaking of, the ISU calls this lift a rotational lift, but many newspaper reports call them reverse lifts. Perhaps at one point that was the technical term, but currently the correct term is rotational lift. I chose to use the correct term rather than depend upon the source's description, which is incorrect. The other thing that often happens with figure skating writing is that reporters use the more popular term rather than the correct, technical one. For those reasons, I ask that the hook stand as is. If you like, we can hook 2 to keep things simple.Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:03, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- I did some more looking around, and I wasn't entirely accurate. It's both; the correct term should be a reverse rotational lift. Changing hook now. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:43, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Um, am I missing something? Anything else needs to happen to get this passed? Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 01:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay in responding. Do you have a source for the revised name? Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 08:22, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, it's the same as above; I just corrected the hook. Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
