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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:54, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

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Ekakshara Upanishad[edit]

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Ekakshara Ganapti, the imperishable God

  • ... that Ekakshara is defined as one syllable or single syllable word which represents the imperishable God (pictured)?

Created by Nvvchar (talk). Self-nominated at 14:12, 15 June 2015 (UTC).

  • The hook appears to be sourced to "How To Regrow Lost Hairs". I find it very hard to believe that this meets any conceivable definition of reliable source. – iridescent 17:20, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Reference 5 which is cited for the hook opens in my computer with this url [1]--Nvvchar. 17:49, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
  • @Iridescent: Please treat the original hook as withdrawn. Now suggesting ALT1 hook:
  • ALT1: ... that Ekakshara emphasizes that the Supreme Lord is the source of life and is an avatar of the Lord in the universe responsible for its creation?--Nvvchar. 14:45, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Reviewer needed for ALT1. Yoninah (talk) 07:35, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Good To Go. ALT1 can be verified in the source as - Ekakshara Upanishad no.3 for "Supreme Lord is the source of life" and "Thou art the Principle of life; Thou the manifestation (the manifested world)" for is an avatar of the Lord in the universe responsible for its creation.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
  • the Supreme Lord ... is an avatar of the Lord scarcely makes sense, and does not appear to be clearly stated in the source, so I have pulled this from prep 1. Gatoclass (talk) 10:25, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
  • This is the way I see it. Avatar is mostly translated into English as "incarnation", but more accurately as "appearance" or "manifestation". The source of "Ekakshara Upanishad" says - 3. Thou art the Principle of life; Thou the manifestation (the manifested world). Thou = Supreme Lord, is Ekakshara. So using this logic (but not into this religion) - the Supreme Lord is a manifestation (avatar) of the Lord in the universe responsible for its creation. It makes some sense to me, however Nvvchar will probably have a better handle on this and could explain it better.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:02, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Well the parenthesized "(the manifested world)" would indicate to me that the text means the Supreme Lord is both the source of the world and its manifestation as the world - a not uncommon teaching in Hinduism if I'm not mistaken. But certainly, there is no explicit reference to "avatars" in the source, and I think it best in cases like this where no reliable commentary is included to take a conservative approach. Gatoclass (talk) 11:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, agree with your logic. ALT1 needs to be simpler to understand. AND "avatar" should be dropped. Definitely need Nvvchar's help on this one.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:11, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
  • ALT2... that Ekakshara emphasizes that the Supreme Lord is the source of life and the Lord in the universe responsible for its creation? Thanks.--Nvvchar. 15:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

- ALT2 makes sense to me and it is simplier.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 15:42, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Look, I'm sorry, but I still don't like this hook. Firstly, I'm not sure it is saying anything unusual - "God created the universe" is an idea everyone is familiar with. Secondly, the hook repeats the word "Lord" which looks clumsy. And then I'm not sure what "Lord in the universe" means exactly. Maybe I will have a try at submitting an alt for this one myself. Gatoclass (talk) 11:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
It's always a bit problematic when one has only the original text and no commentary. However, I still think ALT3 doesn't make much sense, and at this point I think it's time I proposed my own hook, which unfortunately means I won't be able to verify it. Anyhow, here's a new alt:
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