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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 16:21, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

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Geneva Declaration (1918)

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  • ... that the Geneva Declaration was the agreement on a provisional government during the creation of Yugoslavia? Source: Janković, Dragoslav (1964). "Ženevska konferencija o stvaranju jugoslovenske zajednice 1918. godine" [Geneva Conference on Creation of the Yugoslav Community in 1918]. Istorija XX veka [History of the 20th Century] (in Serbian). Vol. V. Belgrade: Institute of Legal History of the University of Belgrade Faculty of Law. pp. 225–262. OCLC 67000822. Pages 242-244 and 249 amongst other sources
    • ALT1: ... that Nikola Pašić was did not want to compromise on the Geneva Declaration despite insistence and threats until a letter was received detailing Raymond Poincaré wishes to come to an agreement? Source: Janković, Dragoslav (1964). "Ženevska konferencija o stvaranju jugoslovenske zajednice 1918. godine" [Geneva Conference on Creation of the Yugoslav Community in 1918]. Istorija XX veka [History of the 20th Century] (in Serbian). Vol. V. Belgrade: Institute of Legal History of the University of Belgrade Faculty of Law. pp. 225–262. OCLC 67000822. Pages 246-247
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/New Jersey's 1927 biannual elections proposal
    • Comment: Unsure if I worded these correctly or got some incorrect.

Improved to Good Article status by Tomobe03 (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 21:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Geneva Declaration (1918); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • Recent good article, certainly long enough. Nothing overtly non-neutral. QPQ done. Most of the sources are non-English or inaccessible, but I can access Jelavich & Jelavich 2000, and the sentence "this prompted Pašić to instruct Serbian ambassador to the United States to investigate if Serbia could at least receive Bosnia and Herzegovina" is quite a close paraphrase. A check on Pavlowitch 2003, pp. 29–35 produced no problems however. Regarding the hooks, I think new ones are needed. The current two lack context establishing what the declaration was meant to be and its surrounding context. There's some very interesting stuff here, for me especially the weird 'dual-monarchy' concept where one monarch was the national council. (I'm not sure how closely that is inspired by the Austro-Hungarian system exactly, but I'm happy to give the sources the benefit of the doubt there.) CMD (talk) 14:11, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Reworded the sentence you pointed out just to be on the safe side.Tomobe03 (talk) 17:24, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Any updates? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:47, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
@Chipmunkdavis: Since you proposed it, how about "... that during talks on the creation of the Geneva Declaration, Ante Trumbić proposed a common government in which there would be the government of Serbia and a National Council?". Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:48, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
I don't think that explains much to a reader who is unfamiliar with the subject. Noting here that the paraphrase I mentioned has been dealt with. CMD (talk) 01:47, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
@Onegreatjoke: status report? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 17:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: The main issue is that i'm seemingly unable to create a good enough hook for this nom. It's definitely possible but my brain seems to turn off whenever I try thinking of one. If I or someone else can't create another hook then I guess I'd have to withdraw. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Just a drive-by comment, but how about something like ALT3: ... that the President of Serbia signed the 1918 Geneva Declaration after intervention from the President of France? (Don't think I need to put 'then' before either "President of" - context should make it clear.)--Launchballer 23:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
As a reader who found the article interesting I'd rather this wasn't abandoned. Hooky aspects to me included the debate over federalisation, the potential for keeping Austria-Hungary, the tenuous State of Slovenes, Croats and Serbs, the dual oaths/bodies, and the abandonment leaving the new kingdom constitutionless. CMD (talk) 01:52, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Honestly, I think Launchballer's works well enough. Though Chipmunkdavis still needs to review it. Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:24, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
Foreign language and offline source, so taking it on good faith. Rereading I suppose there's some interest in diplomatic arms twisting, a promoter can provide a second opinion but I think we can move past this stage. CMD (talk) 00:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
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