Template:Did you know nominations/Gwennan Gorn
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The result was: rejected by BencherliteTalk 18:29, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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Gwennan Gorn[edit]
- ... that according to Welsh folklore, Madoc's ship, the Gwennan Gorn, was constructed using only deer horns as nails and travelled from Wales to America in 1170 A.D.?
Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nominated at 19:50, 3 June 2013 (UTC).
Personally, I would say that it is good to go, since it appears to meet all of the criteria for a DYK? nomination. However, in regards to the hook, I would like a second opinion, since I'm not sure whether the sentence should be written as "... nails and travelled from ..." or "... nails and supposedly travelled from ..." I don't think that it would matter too much, but I just want to make sure. Futurist110 (talk) 00:24, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
This isn't nearly ready to appear on the front page. The article relies heavily on primary sources, unreliable self-published books and even novels, including for the material cited in the hook. It's debatable whether this is really a noteworthy enough subject for an article at all.--Cúchullain t/c 13:15, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Specifically which primary sources and unreliable self-published books and novels is Cuchullain talking about? Perhaps they can be replaced with other references if proven they are primary sources and unreliable self-published books and novels. The subject is noteworthy because of its unusualness. Madoc's ship was built out of deer horns and not iron nails - a most unusual method of ship construction.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:01, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Dougweller has given a good summary of that issue here. This issue needs to be dealt with at the article; DYK isn't the place.--Cúchullain t/c 20:59, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Replied there.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:29, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- And I've extensively replied about the use of self-published sources, librarians as sources, etc. There is a serious problem in that I can see no actual Welsh folklore that has been identified as making this claim. Even the unreliable sources don't identify any actual folklore. The material about this alleged ship would actually fill no more than a paragraph - the rest of the article is about Madoc, speculation about his possibly using a magnet, etc. Dougweller (talk) 11:50, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Replied there.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:29, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Dougweller has given a good summary of that issue here. This issue needs to be dealt with at the article; DYK isn't the place.--Cúchullain t/c 20:59, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Specifically which primary sources and unreliable self-published books and novels is Cuchullain talking about? Perhaps they can be replaced with other references if proven they are primary sources and unreliable self-published books and novels. The subject is noteworthy because of its unusualness. Madoc's ship was built out of deer horns and not iron nails - a most unusual method of ship construction.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:01, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- No edits here or to the article since 6 June, so closing as rejected. BencherliteTalk 18:29, 17 June 2013 (UTC)