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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:01, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hermandad Lírica, Dolores Cabrera y Heredia

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Dolores Cabrera y Heredia
Dolores Cabrera y Heredia

Created by Evrik (talk) and SandyGeorgia (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 19:30, 9 October 2020 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: This was nominated previously as Template:Did you know nominations/Dolores Cabrera y Heredia, and is now a double nomination. The above review-set is for both articles. There is one issue, of sources: Dolores Cabrera y Heredia is not fully sourced. Some guidance on sources is given by SandyGeorgia in the abovementioned template. Hermandad Lírica appears to be fully sourced, although I have not checked every source. Two QPQs have been done by Evrik (one is listed here; one is listed on the abovementioned template). Note: The image is free and used in both articles. I have corrected the image licence because it is out of copyright. Thank you to Evrik, Nick Number and SandyGeorgia for two really intriguing articles; I must brush up my rusty Spanish and see if I can read some of the poems, though I guess I would miss most of the ambiguities - and that's the interesting bit! Storye book (talk) 12:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Evrik hasn't nominated since October, and the Dolores nomination has been closed as unsuccessful due to a lack of response from the main contributors. I have left a message on SandyGeorgia's talk page asking them if they are willing to adopt this in Evrik's place. If there is no response or if the response is negative, this may be marked for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't routinely participate at DYK, and will need at least a day to go back and check what the issues were here ... will answer by tomorrow. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:58, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
OK, so the original issues I mentioned back at Template:Did you know nominations/Dolores Cabrera y Heredia about the translation and sourcing mixup were never corrected there ... so if the plan is still to run this as a double, that won't work. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:27, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
On this article, here is my talk archive: User_talk:SandyGeorgia/arch109#Hermandad_Lírica. To pass this, I would need to do a full source-to-text integrity and copyvio check, and if the original nominators have moved on, I am not too interested in taking that on. Sorry :( I am always happy to help out others, but not thrilled about taking on word if others have abandoned it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:30, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
@SandyGeorgia: This nomination could always be continued as a single article hook with just Lírica if you're willing. The original review did state that it was the Dolores article that was problematic whereas the Lírica article was fine; for what it's worth Earwigs did not detect any issues with Lírica's article, though of course that doesn't preclude the possibility of issues with offline sources. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:42, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
It would need to go forward without me ... not sure how my name got attached to it just because I helped out because I speak Spanish ... I just don't have time to make sure it's up to snuff. Bst, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Noted, the main reason I contacted you was because you were listed as a co-contributor for this nomination. With Evrik not currently being active and issues remaining, this nomination is marked for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:16, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
  • @Storye book: Can you complete an independent review, please? I've been on a break, but if someone had left a message for me, I would have attended to this. @Narutolovehinata5: what would you like me to do? I'm okay with this going as its own article, but can attend to the other if needed.--evrik (talk) 18:30, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you, evrik. As far as I can see, my previous review for the double nomination still stands. SandyGeorgia's worries about sourcing in the previous template were all about the poet's private life, so if we were to remove the paragraph about her marriage and children (it's only two lines in pc view) the article would still be OK, and that problem would be solved. It would be good to have a citation at the end of the paragraph which mentions the poet's contributions to the magazine El Correo de la Moda. I believe that if those two things were done (1. remove para beginning "In 1856, she married" and 2. cite after para ending "Aragonese legend."), this nomination should get a green tick. Storye book (talk) 20:04, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you, evrik. I have put a note on the paragraph that you have now hidden on the source page. I did that in case anyone tries to remove it, or even worse, tries to un-hide it. However the paragraph would survive more safely if you moved it to the talk page. Then there would be a better chance of you and other editors correcting the sources. But the hidden paragraph does not affect DYK. Storye book (talk) 11:33, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Note: I have just noticed that the husband (who is no longer in the main text) was mentioned in the header, so I removed that mention. Evrik, you are welcome to put it back when the paragraph about the husband has been put right and returned to the article. Sorry about that. Storye book (talk) 11:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you. --evrik (talk) 00:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Good to go with above image. I'm giving an AGF tick because my reading of Spanish is inadequate. Storye book (talk) 11:33, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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